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Granted I am biased, but St. Louis has alot of urban amenities and qualities due to the fact that is a legacy city. Great universities, light rail, a great COL, and dense urban walkable neighborhoods. In fact i think that is one of its greatest strengths, the Central West End is about as dense of a neighborhood you can find in the midwest outside of Chicago. Downtown is moving in the right direction but still needs some work. If it were able to make some progress it would jump up on some of these polls.
Granted I am biased, but St. Louis has alot of urban amenities and qualities due to the fact that is a legacy city. Great universities, light rail, a great COL, and dense urban walkable neighborhoods. In fact i think that is one of its greatest strengths, the Central West End is about as dense of a neighborhood you can find in the midwest outside of Chicago. Downtown is moving in the right direction but still needs some work. If it were able to make some progress it would jump up on some of these polls.
According to Wiki West End has 7,7000 ppsm, there are several neighborhoods in the midwest that are denser than that.
Granted I am biased, but St. Louis has alot of urban amenities and qualities due to the fact that is a legacy city. Great universities, light rail, a great COL, and dense urban walkable neighborhoods. In fact i think that is one of its greatest strengths, the Central West End is about as dense of a neighborhood you can find in the midwest outside of Chicago. Downtown is moving in the right direction but still needs some work. If it were able to make some progress it would jump up on some of these polls.
Saint Louis has some amazing neighborhood's, that's for sure. I've had some magical times there. It's by far my favorite of the river cities.
I see your point, but when people criticize a place for being "white", they typically mean that it's not diverse, welcoming and inclusive. While people on this board rarely complain about cities being too black, they hint at it through coded speech, and there have been plenty of posts were people overtlu claimed that Miami, for example, was too Latino.
IMO, Denver isn't really an "urban" enviroment like the other cities. Minneapolis, Atlanta, San Diego, and Phoenix are a few notches above Denver when it comes to their urbanity and amenities. Denver is cool, but it's mostly because of the mountains and natural enviroment. I am always hearing a never ending stream of complaints from my Chicago transplant friends... "It's too small", "It's basically on an island", "People are too laid back", "you have to drive EVERYWHERE", "The food sucks", "Night life is too limited, and only exists in pockets", etc...either that, or people from Chicago just love to complain.
Folks from Texas cities and LA seem to feel more at home here than people from Chicago or the North East (which are very urban)...at least in my observations.
I get so TIRED of people telling all black people to move to Atlanta. To think that all black people are a monolithic group that would love Atlanta---or even fit in well in Atlanta---just based on the fact that they are black is not only myopic, but is also pretty darn insulting.
Heck, to quite a few black folks, the hype around Atlanta being such a "Black Mecca" is tired and played out anyway, and has been for quite a few years now.
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According to Wiki West End has 7,7000 ppsm, there are several neighborhoods in St. Louis that are denser than that.
Changed your post a little.
The CWE in St. Louis is one of the best neighborhoods in the Midwest, but some things that make it great like the variety of housing options and the massive, massive hospitals/research complexes there hurt its population density on paper.
As someone who has lived in cities of various "tiers" in various countries, obviously it depends why you are leaving and what you looking for (and how you are separating your tiers in the first place) Fragile egos aside, there are a lot of things in some of these cities that are better than "Tier 1" cities.
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