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View Poll Results: Which do you prefer?
Dallas Summers 119 50.64%
Chicago Winters 116 49.36%
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Old 08-14-2017, 10:31 AM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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Well, I don't think a day that averages 40s during the day and 20s at night is "comfortable" yet in your metric it is since the average high is above 32 degrees.

Daily mean is a much better indicator since the high and low of the day are only achieved in a very small window.

Also, we need some objective sweet spot that applies to both. IMO an average high of 80F and average low of 60F is paradise. This is the type of weather you find along the equator at 3,000-4,000 feet. That's a daily mean of 70 degrees. We can calculate how far each deviates from that mean.
Average for what month? 80 to 60 is great in summer but I would hate it the rest of the year, it's too warm.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Well, I don't think a day that averages 40s during the day and 20s at night is "comfortable" yet in your metric it is since the average high is above 32 degrees.

Daily mean is a much better indicator since the high and low of the day are only achieved in a very small window.

Also, we need some objective sweet spot that applies to both. IMO an average high of 80F and average low of 60F is paradise. This is the type of weather you find along the equator at 3,000-4,000 feet. That's a daily mean of 70 degrees. We can calculate how far each deviates from that mean.
How about this:
kelly norton: The Pleasant Places to Live

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Where in the U.S. will you find the most “pleasant” days in a year?
“pleasant” here means the mean temperature was between (55° F and 75° F), the minimum temperature was above 45° F, the maximum temperature was below 85° F and there was no significant precipitation or snow depth.
Looking at the map:
Chicago - 4 locations measured - 51 days to 74 days per year (I assume big range is affected by proximity to lake shore
Dallas - 2 locations measured - 62 days to 65 days per year (west is fewer days than east, Ft. Worth is 59 days, Sherman is 71 days)
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Old 08-14-2017, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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90 degrees in Dallas just doesn't seem hot. Your body adjusts to different climates. I'd lump the 90 degree days with our "warm" season, not the "Hot" season.
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Old 08-14-2017, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Agree, and the greenery in the winter isn't all that great. Compare this http://uvalde.tamu.edu/files/2011/03/quvi_wp1.jpg to this https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_c/...0000000000.jpg

I'd rather have conifers. Both cities have evergreen trees. It depends on which you prefer.
This is pretty much what most of the Central Dallas neighborhoods look like in the winter:
https://goo.gl/images/ZGMiPX

once you get out in the burbs where the prairie is being developed, you'll see more brown, but those areas aren't too green in the Summer either.
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Old 08-14-2017, 07:53 PM
 
Location: USA
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Agree, and the greenery in the winter isn't all that great. Compare this http://uvalde.tamu.edu/files/2011/03/quvi_wp1.jpg to this https://photos.zillowstatic.com/p_c/...0000000000.jpg

I'd rather have conifers. Both cities have evergreen trees. It depends on which you prefer.
Why are you using a picture of Uvalde?
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:00 PM
 
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This is pretty much what most of the Central Dallas neighborhoods look like in the winter:
https://goo.gl/images/ZGMiPX

once you get out in the burbs where the prairie is being developed, you'll see more brown, but those areas aren't too green in the Summer either.
I don't think that picture was taken in winter, probably early spring. In the winter, even the evergreen trees look darker and not as verdant.

Jerry Jones' house (or his neighbors) is not typical Dallas landscape.
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Old 08-14-2017, 08:20 PM
 
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This is pretty much what most of the Central Dallas neighborhoods look like in the winter:
https://goo.gl/images/ZGMiPX

once you get out in the burbs where the prairie is being developed, you'll see more brown, but those areas aren't too green in the Summer either.
Northern lawns can stay that hint of green between brown in dec yet. But not Jan Feb.

A nice Dallas ----> Average sprawling neighborhood in DECEMBER

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8707...7i13312!8i6656

Same scene in JANUARY

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8706...7i13312!8i6656

Same one in MARCH with remnant of SNOW on a lawn.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8707...7i13312!8i6656

Now same in MAY ....

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8706...7i13312!8i6656

SAME BLOCK STREET-VIEWS CHANGE YEARS THE IRONY IN HOW THEY DIFFER SAME MONTH.

MARCH 2012

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8706...7i13312!8i6656

SAME VIEW MARCH 2015 some snow.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8707...7i13312!8i6656

So we can cherry pick years, kinds of trees and months of course. But I THINK THE ABOVE VIEWS ARE FAIR. HOPEFULLY THEY SHOW AS I INTENDED..... as they changed seasons as I wanted when I double checked. Sometimes they don't stay that month I wanted...

Last edited by JMT; 08-15-2017 at 07:57 PM.. Reason: Houston is not part of this thread.
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Old 08-14-2017, 09:03 PM
 
Location: NE Atlanta Metro
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I'd choose a Dallas summer.

They're brutal, but it's easier for me to be active in heat than bitter cold.
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Old 08-14-2017, 11:09 PM
 
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The fact there are bare trees too. Depends on the species. I can pull up downtown Houston in Jan Feb and the Palms looking gorgeous by the Aquarium restaurant there. It's like a island oasis. But around are trees bare to some varieties with far from bright green with leaves and grass a greenish hint .... but far from spring summer fall.

I mention Houston as even further south and more humid to see if green is more prevalent yet in Jan Feb? It's still a brown winter with trees that stay like a evergreen too. Far from lush green.

Northern lawns can stay that hint of green between brown in dec yet. But not Jan Feb.

A nice Dallas ----> Average sprawling neighborhood in DECEMBER

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8707...7i13312!8i6656

Same scene in JANUARY

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8706...7i13312!8i6656

Same one in MARCH with remnant of SNOW on a lawn.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8707...7i13312!8i6656

Now same in MAY ....

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8706...7i13312!8i6656

SAME BLOCK STREET-VIEWS CHANGE YEARS THE IRONY IN HOW THEY DIFFER SAME MONTH.

MARCH 2012

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8706...7i13312!8i6656

SAME VIEW MARCH 2015 some snow.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8707...7i13312!8i6656

So we can cherry pick years, kinds of trees and months of course. But I THINK THE ABOVE VIEWS ARE FAIR. HOPEFULLY THEY SHOW AS I INTENDED..... as they changed seasons as I wanted when I double checked. Sometimes they don't stay that month I wanted...
I would note that the area in the picture is in upscale neighborhood of Dallas, not a typical DFW subdivision.
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Old 08-14-2017, 11:33 PM
 
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I would note that the area in the picture is in upscale neighborhood of Dallas, not a typical DFW subdivision.
I had a rougher neighborhood too to use. But thought a good one to higher-end would be less biased and more prone to better care of greens.

Also difficult to find areas All seasons of street-views are available. I wanted February ones and had to settle for Jan and march.

Chicago had a mild winter after December rough start. Snowy street-views are harder to find. But you can sometimes. Not heavy snows. But in February this year? Chicago had a stretch of 60+ degree days. There are youtube videos of people playing volleyball on a downtown Chicago beach this past February. But other years the lake might be partially covered over near the shore with ice covered beaches.

Votes are 50/50 for various reasons not merely weather. I personally would like a Chicago a bit further south for milder winters overall (my state too LOL). But also moving Lake Michigan with it too ... . As it's too much a asset to not have.
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