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Man, some of you guys in these comments aren't even hiding the fact that you're simply correlating a non-white face to being non-English speakers.
This goes to the point that you have no experience with Miami. Most of the Latinos in Miami are White and have White faces. If someone's standard of English speaking = White Face, they'd think there were hardly any immigrants in Miami.
Miami is not Los Angeles or Houston where most of the Spanish speakers are of "mixed racial" background.
I also wouldn't go so far as to say everyone under 35 speaks English in Miami, let alone is fluent. Where are your statstics for this? In Miami, over 50% of people are foreign born and have a mother tongue other than English.
I do have a property in Miami Beach, and hired contractors last year to do some renovations there. None could speak English, and some of them were under 30 years old. I was forced to call the head contractor's wife to translate.
This goes to the point that you have no experience with Miami. Most of the Latinos in Miami are White and have White faces. If someone's standard of English speaking = White Face, they'd think there were hardly any immigrants in Miami.
What are you talking about? I wouldn't know the exact statistics, but many of the mulattos and Blacks there speak Spanish. This isn't 1975 where most of the Spanish speakers come from the upper crust of Cuban and Colombian society, nowadays Miami's Latin population is much more varied. Outside of the old school Cubans and upper class Venezuelans/Colombians, most of the Spanish speakers would be considered non-white.
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I also wouldn't go so far as to say everyone under 35 speaks English in Miami, let alone is fluent. Where are your statstics for this? In Miami, over 50% of people are foreign born and have a mother tongue other than English.
Mother tongue =/= can't speak English. My mother tongue isn't English. That doesn't mean I can't speak it.
Out of the 2,490,835 Spanish speakers who live in South Florida, 1,319,105 speak English well (which implies fluency) and 1,171,730 speak English less than very well (which could range from they don't know it at all, to "I don't feel comfortable filling out this form"). Taking the stats at face value, yes that means over 50% of Spanish speakers in Miami can speak English fluently.
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I do have a property in Miami Beach, and hired contractors last year to do some renovations there. None could speak English, and some of them were under 30 years old. I was forced to call the head contractor's wife to translate.
So that's the typical Miami Spanish speaker under 30, someone working for a contractor? If I walked onto any high school or university campus and spoke in English, no one would understand me? If I walked onto FIU, would most of the conversations be in Spanish or in English?
Think about this one for a second - lets say you're stranded in Hialeah for whatever reason and your cell phone is dead. Who would you trust to have a better knowledge of English, a young person or an older person? You'd be lying if you said the older person.
What are you talking about? I wouldn't know the exact statistics, but many of the mulattos and Blacks there speak Spanish.
The vast majority are White - White Cubans, White Venezuelans, White Argentineans, etc. The vast majority.
You'd know this if you spent time in Miami.
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Mother tongue =/= can't speak English.
No one said this, however it's a strong indication that many of them don't speak English. Your claim that all under 35 speak English is just not true. And indicates you're just making up things as you go along.
Being an American English speaking forum, more people are likely to have experience living in Miami than Montreal so people's POV goes between "wow I can totally survive here doing touristy stuff" (Montreal) and actually living in a place (Miami).
The POV of a Spanish speaker about Miami and a French speaker about Montreal are two completely different things, and its not one I'd expect most Anglophones to really get because its hard to relate to. That's where this disconnect comes from.
Being an American English speaking forum, more people are likely to have experience living in Miami than Montreal so people's POV goes between "wow I can totally survive here doing touristy stuff" (Montreal) and actually living in a place (Miami).
The POV of a Spanish speaker about Miami and a French speaker about Montreal are two completely different things, and its not one I'd expect most Anglophones to really get because its hard to relate to. That's where this disconnect comes from.
In the northeast, Montreal is a popular vacation spot, especially for people who want to party (and do hookers). So don't underestimate people's experience with Montreal either. From my place in Brooklyn, I can drive to Montreal in about 6 hours during light traffic conditions. Obviously a lot faster if I take a plane.
No one said this, however it's a strong indication that many of them don't speak English. Your claim that all under 35 speak English is just not true. And indicates you're just making up things as you go along.
It's funny because there are stats riddled throughout this thread, including my own provided by the US census, yet you completely go by your anecdote about some contractors you hired as proof of something. All while real life evidence, including my own experiences at FIU or the French Canadian poster's POV, is considered "just making up things as you go along"
I'll let you have this one. I'll let the average reader make up their own mind what to believe. Queires tu premio?
Being an American English speaking forum, more people are likely to have experience living in Miami than Montreal so people's POV goes between "wow I can totally survive here doing touristy stuff" (Montreal) and actually living in a place (Miami).
The POV of a Spanish speaker about Miami and a French speaker about Montreal are two completely different things, and its not one I'd expect most Anglophones to really get because its hard to relate to. That's where this disconnect comes from.
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In the northeast, Montreal is a popular vacation spot, especially for people who want to party (and do hookers). So don't underestimate people's experience with Montreal either. From my place in Brooklyn, I can drive to Montreal in about 6 hours during light traffic conditions. Obviously a lot faster if I take a plane.
In the northeast, Montreal is a popular vacation spot, especially for people who want to party (and do hookers). So don't underestimate people's experience with Montreal either. From my place in Brooklyn, I can drive to Montreal in about 6 hours during light traffic conditions. Obviously a lot faster if I take a plane.
It's funny because there are stats riddled throughout this thread, including my own provided by the US census, yet you completely go by your anecdote about some contractors you hired as proof of something. All while real life evidence, including my own experiences at FIU or the French Canadian poster's POV, is considered "just making up things as you go along"
I'll let you have this one. I'll let the average reader make up their own mind what to believe. Queires tu premio?
The statistics you posted don't support anything you said, in fact they support what I have said. So I didn't bother addressing them. In case you forgot, you said "Everyone under 35 speaks English" which is just false.
Also, as I stated, you clearly have little to no experience with Miami. So I'm confused why you're talking about her.
Across the entire USA, sure. But if we focus in on just the northeast, then I'm not so sure.
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