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Why don't you think so? A few posts ago someone mentioned crime is on the rise all over Canada.
The only city that's "Americanising" with regards to crime is Toronto, it's basically Chicago lite(there's literally gang war going on right now). Other cities are having a mini spike but it's nothing concerning. For Montreal, most homicides are Italian mob hits or household arguments gone wrong. With Toronto, you're seeing people get shot for making diss tracks, drive-by shootings in broad daylight, etc... something you'd see in America and not in Canada.
Why don't you think so? A few posts ago someone mentioned crime is on the rise all over Canada.
You alls crime is so so low, to begin with, it doesn't really compare to any American cities really. You cant Americanize without a host of other bad things becoming entrenched in the culture over decades.
22 homicides at this point in the year is a small neighborhood in many mid-size American cities...
Toronto basically has the violent crime levels of a Seattle; Montreal, of a San Diego, which is the safest major city over here. Both Montreal and Toronto are extremely safe by American standards, and that's even with accounting for the rise in murder and violent crime over there. Montreal would be the safest American city if it were in the US...
Still, perception of crime is relative. Montreal and Toronto don't historically have high levels of violence, so sharp increases are met with worry because that isn't the norm in those places...
Historically, Montreal has had much higher crime rates than it does today. In an apples to apples comparison, the area defined as ''Montreal'' which is posting 25-30 murders a year these days has topped 100 murders as recently as the 1990s.
This area had maybe 1.7 million people back then and has about 2 million people now.
These are "Western European" style crime stats.
Toronto used to be fairly low as well but with the recent spike it's now more typical of a decently safe American city. NYC has evolved towards this type of situation in recent years. (Albeit going in the other direction - from higher to lower crime.)
In Canada the major cities and provinces east of the Ottawa River tend to have very low violent crime rates. Similar to W Europe.
As you go west Ontario cities like Ottawa and Toronto are similar to NYC, so pretty safe for the U.S. but not stellar by global standards.
The Prairies tend to have rates similar to much of the U.S. I'd describe them as "just OK".
And then when you get to the west coast the rates drop a bit again. Though generally not as low as in Quebec and Atlantic Canada.
Yes, the Americanization of cities like Toronto and Montreal is concerning. Anybody any idea what might be the underlying cause?
This is stupid, so only USA has murders...? Canada (and most western countries) always had issue with criminality... Canada for instance has an history of mass murders (they just do not talk about it) but barely a year goes by without at least 1 random killings in Canada.
The Nederland has some troubled spot (Biljmer)
Greece had at one point a very high homicide rate...
Violence is everywhere
The only city that's "Americanising" with regards to crime is Toronto, it's basically Chicago lite(there's literally gang war going on right now). Other cities are having a mini spike but it's nothing concerning. For Montreal, most homicides are Italian mob hits or household arguments gone wrong. With Toronto, you're seeing people get shot for making diss tracks, drive-by shootings in broad daylight, etc... something you'd see in America and not in Canada.
A rapper in Montreal god shot last year over a beef.
Bad news Brown was gun down over some beef.
The thing is that in Montreal, there is not many people in the game and the usual suspect, do not forget that in the US, most violent city are at least 20-30% african american (sorry but true), and Montreal is very white in american standard, like Portland, Seattle, Austiin... If you compare it with those city, they are pretty even
A rapper in Montreal god shot last year over a beef.
Bad news Brown was gun down over some beef.
The thing is that in Montreal, there is not many people in the game and the usual suspect, do not forget that in the US, most violent city are at least 20-30% african american (sorry but true), and Montreal is very white in american standard, like Portland, Seattle, Austiin... If you compare it with those city, they are pretty even
Not really. Seattle and Austin have murder rates similar to where Toronto is right now. This is considered "high" by Canadian standards and two to three times the rate of Montreal. Portland is even higher than Toronto.
Montreal is in the 1-1.5 per 100,000 range for murders. The only large U.S. city that is even close is Honolulu. Even San Diego is somewhat higher than that.
Also I would caution against blaming black people as the % of black people in Montreal is comparable to the % in Portland, Austin and Seattle. It might even be a tad higher than 1 or 2 of the U.S. cities being compared.
Canadian cities crime rates are to be compared to themselves first promptly. This notion of safe & dangerous overall should be regarded to neighborhoods not cities. The most " dangerous" cities in the U.S are generally safe as any other place in the US.
Not really. Seattle and Austin have murder rates similar to where Toronto is right now. This is considered "high" by Canadian standards and two to three times the rate of Montreal. Portland is even higher than Toronto.
Montreal is in the 1-1.5 per 100,000 range for murders. The only large U.S. city that is even close is Honolulu. Even San Diego is somewhat higher than that.
Also I would caution against blaming black people as the % of black people in Montreal is comparable to the % in Portland, Austin and Seattle. It might even be a tad higher than 1 or 2 of the U.S. cities being compared.
Upon reading my post, I edited it but I guess forgot to ave it... What I meant was the level of poverty, cities like St Louis, Detroit, B'more have a high rate of poverty and thus the trime rate... It is mostly over drugs... In Montreal, it is safe even as Canadian standard because the war on drug is over, all the top dog are in jail, but when the new breed emerge, homicide will rise again
Not really. Seattle and Austin have murder rates similar to where Toronto is right now. This is considered "high" by Canadian standards and two to three times the rate of Montreal. Portland is even higher than Toronto.
Montreal is in the 1-1.5 per 100,000 range for murders. The only large U.S. city that is even close is Honolulu. Even San Diego is somewhat higher than that.
Also I would caution against blaming black people as the % of black people in Montreal is comparable to the % in Portland, Austin and Seattle. It might even be a tad higher than 1 or 2 of the U.S. cities being compared.
You strike me as someone who would already be familiar with this, but seemingly one of the major differences in the shaping of America and Canada, is the projection of people of African descent. America has a centuries-long record of depicting blacks as inhumane, animalistic beings naturally prone to violence and incapable of respectability or intelligence, and established the systems to support those discriminatory images. Many of those systems are modernized and still in effect today...
As it relates to that poster's post, black Americans have also been taught, in a myriad of ways, that we are more violent and less intelligent than other people. More often than not, you're hearing the effects of being told and shown that for centuries when you hear someone black make comments similar to his...
To your point, Montreal is surprisingly black, around 9.4% last I checked, blacker than Toronto, and many people don't realize that. I spent January and February in Burlington, Vermont, less than two hours from Montreal, and wanted to go but didn't have my damn passport. Montreal is my next major trip...
I'd be interested in hearing about the differences in the historic national perception of Black Canadians, as compared to Black Americans...
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