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Old 07-15-2018, 06:50 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Isn't San Jose's MSA really just its own county?

 
Old 07-15-2018, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Isn't San Jose's MSA really just its own county?
No it also includes San Benito county.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 10:04 AM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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No it also includes San Benito county.
So it includes one more county of less than 60,000 people. Okay.
 
Old 07-15-2018, 10:44 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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On every other San Jose comparison, OP brings the entire Bay Area into it. If comparing just city to city, I'd take Charlotte, but not in a runaway victory as they both win certain categories. If comparing broader metro areas, no contest- San Jose takes it.

Specifically to the criteria listed of just city to city?

Population: San Jose
Economy: Tie
Diversity: San Jose
Downtown: Charlotte
Scenery: San Jose
Airport: Charlotte
Shopping: Charlotte
Weather: Tie (subjective)

I think Charlotte's city and metro population are a little misleading since NC's annexation laws allow CLT to absorb surrounding communities. It has a compact but somewhat impressive skyline, but a relatively small amount of the metro would be considered "urban" by any stretch of the imagination. But Charlotte overperforms in some regards- to some degree- by having a very centralized location on the middle of the eastern seaboard.

On the flip side, San Jose is a bigger city than most people realize in a 7-8 million metro. It seems to have a lot more going on in the last decade, but has underperformed, not even getting top billing in the area despite having a population of more than a million.
Really good post
 
Old 07-15-2018, 10:49 AM
 
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I think Charlotte's city and metro population are a little misleading since NC's annexation laws allow CLT to absorb surrounding communities.
How do NC's annexation laws (which aren't as liberal as they used to be) make Charlotte's metro population misleading?
 
Old 07-15-2018, 05:15 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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How do NC's annexation laws (which aren't as liberal as they used to be) make Charlotte's metro population misleading?
My guess is that municipal population was probably being cited.
As for annexation in NC, it's been several years since cities in the state were allowed to annex basically at will. However, it's not like Charlotte needs any more land; it's already huge.
 
Old 07-16-2018, 10:20 AM
 
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How do NC's annexation laws (which aren't as liberal as they used to be) make Charlotte's metro population misleading?

Yeah it would be the city proper population. But the metro would be the same no matter the annexation laws. Modcut: Please keep this thread about just San Jose and Charlotte.

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Old 07-16-2018, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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How do NC's annexation laws (which aren't as liberal as they used to be) make Charlotte's metro population misleading?
Modcut: Please keep this thread about just San Jose and Charlotte.

Regarding the metro population- the Charlotte area covers a large amount of land but only a relatively small amount of it is regarded as "urban." And overall, IMHO it feels smaller the official 2.5 million number suggests.

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Old 07-16-2018, 12:04 PM
 
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Modcut: Please keep this thread about just San Jose and Charlotte.

Regarding the metro population- the Charlotte area covers a large amount of land but only a relatively small amount of it is regarded as "urban." And overall, IMHO it feels smaller the official 2.5 million number suggests.
That's the case for most Sunbelt metros, especially those that revolve around one primary city. I fail to see the relevance of annexation laws here.

Of course Charlotte itself isn't going to feel like it has 2.5M people. The urbanized area population is a better gauge for how big a place feels.
 
Old 07-16-2018, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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[quote=Mutiny77;52509380]That's the case for most Sunbelt metros, especially those that revolve around one primary city. I fail to see the relevance of annexation laws here.

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Mutiny 77, I realize that's a common thing in the Sunbelt- I was just saying that the local policies and strategies regarding annexation can contribute heavily to a city's official population. And I agree, urbanized population is a better gauge for how big a place feels, which is why I mentioned it. The number of people categorized as living in an "urban area" is quite low in Charlotte compared to other metro areas. For example, the CLT metro is listed as around the 22nd most populous in the US, while it's #38 by urban area. Conversely, San Jose is the 35th biggest metro by population, but 29th by urban area.

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