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My "what?!" comment was on the "Atlanta's suburbs are better designed" comment. Not the style of homes that are in the communities. The ATL burbs are not better designed by any measure.
Not going to argue with you about my opinion versus your's.Dont need your approval nor is it required
The syle of homes along with the settings in which those homes are in are better aesthetically by far.If you wish to debate about functionality,that is another story. Dallas being so largely flat and devoid of heavy vegetation ,makes for easier street layout and such but like citidata18 said,it looks fake and non organic.
Atlanta's suburbs have really come into their own with their own identities,character and histories.
Ahh, I was confused; most of those town are like 40+ minutes outside of Atlanta, I thought we were talking about Suburbs that sit just outside of Atlanta. Because for Dallas's sake, I was thinking of suburbs like Arlington, Garland, Plano, Grand Prairie, and etc.
Ahh, I was confused; most of those town are like 40+ minutes outside of Atlanta, I thought we were talking about Suburbs that sit just outside of Atlanta. Because for Dallas's sake, I was thinking of suburbs like Arlington, Garland, Plano, Grand Prairie, and etc.
Most? Marietta, Roswell, and Smyrna aren't nearly that far from Atlanta proper.
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Ahh, I was confused; most of those town are like 40+ minutes outside of Atlanta, I thought we were talking about Suburbs that sit just outside of Atlanta. Because for Dallas's sake, I was thinking of suburbs like Arlington, Garland, Plano, Grand Prairie, and etc.
I agree that Dallas’s suburbs are better designed from a functional perspective compared to Atlanta’s. Better street layout and design that makes them far easier to get around than Atlanta’s. And this is coming from someone who is not really a fan of Dallas/North Texas in general and lived in Atlanta for years, so the ATL homers all need to seriously chill out. If we’re talking about housing styles, lot lines, etc., that’s more subjective and a personal preference to me. I don’t like the cookie cutter feel, mostly treeless vegetation, and the closeness of the housing around the DFW area, but I wasn’t too keen on the lack of privacy fences and the nonsensical layout and lack of arterial system of most ATL suburbs when I lived there neither. Yeah, it’s charming and bucolic and scenic, but not functional or practical for a metro area of almost 6 Million people. I’m not a big fan of having 6-8 Lane arterials everywhere, but there were quite a few major roads that could stand to be widened inside and outside the Perimeter - LaVista Road and Briarcliff immediately come to mind. But as the ATL homers love to remind posters, that’s how they like it, so I don’t really sympathize with their traffic issues.
Downtown Decatur definitely has the best suburban Downtown in that region with Marietta a close second. But the Downtowns in McKinney, Grapevine, Plano, and Denton have their own quirky charm in an old-school Texas kind of way. To each their own...
Ahh, I was confused; most of those town are like 40+ minutes outside of Atlanta, I thought we were talking about Suburbs that sit just outside of Atlanta. Because for Dallas's sake, I was thinking of suburbs like Arlington, Garland, Plano, Grand Prairie, and etc.
It we are discussing the metro,why would we cut off parts of a metro based on your distance requirements? Surely you are not suggesting those areas are less integral to the metro than others within the metro?
Whittier Mill is in Atlanta,Its a historic neighborhood just South of Cobb in the City pf Atlanta.
There are many of these areas within the metro .Some not as well known like Rex Mill area. In Cobb near Old Concourse Road is a very beautiful area with creeks forest and a one way bridge that is over a hundred years old
Ahh, I was confused; most of those town are like 40+ minutes outside of Atlanta, I thought we were talking about Suburbs that sit just outside of Atlanta. Because for Dallas's sake, I was thinking of suburbs like Arlington, Garland, Plano, Grand Prairie, and etc.
I never made that distinction.
Speaking for myself, I consider any place within a city's MSA that has seen a ton of suburban growth and has a ton of commuters to/from the urban core a suburb, regardless of distance.
It we are discussing the metro,why would we cut off parts of a metro based on your distance requirements? Surely you are not suggesting those areas are less integral to the metro than others within the metro?
I agree that Dallas’s suburbs are better designed from a functional perspective compared to Atlanta’s. Better street layout and design that makes them far easier to get around than Atlanta’s. And this is coming from someone who is not really a fan of Dallas/North Texas in general and lived in Atlanta for years, so the ATL homers all need to seriously chill out. If we’re talking about housing styles, lot lines, etc., that’s more subjective and a personal preference to me. I don’t like the cookie cutter feel, mostly treeless vegetation, and the closeness of the housing around the DFW area, but I wasn’t too keen on the lack of privacy fences and the nonsensical layout and lack of arterial system of most ATL suburbs when I lived there neither. Yeah, it’s charming and bucolic and scenic, but not functional or practical for a metro area of almost 6 Million people. I’m not a big fan of having 6-8 Lane arterials everywhere, but there were quite a few major roads that could stand to be widened inside and outside the Perimeter - LaVista Road and Briarcliff immediately come to mind. But as the ATL homers love to remind posters, that’s how they like it, so I don’t really sympathize with their traffic issues.
Downtown Decatur definitely has the best suburban Downtown in that region with Marietta a close second. But the Downtowns in McKinney, Grapevine, Plano, and Denton have their own quirky charm in an old-school Texas kind of way. To each their own...
Almost verbatim what I was saying.I agree with everything and that was my point when I made the statement."Designed" meaning aesthetically .Many people dont really think about "the functionality" of a place they live when selecting and area to stay.
Im not saying not better to have that but I really dont think Atlanta metro would not be as attractive due to its terrain and topography. If Dallas had as many trees,hills and wooded areas it would not have the layout it does either.Part of the reason Houston looks more like a cross between Atlanta and Dallas as Houston is more lush like Atlanta but nowhere near ass hilly.
Even so Dallas traffic ranks as bad or worse as Atlanta's so I really dont think its so much better otherwise traffic would be so much better
Almost verbatim what I was saying.I agree with everything and that was my point when I made the statement."Designed" meaning aesthetically .Many people dont really think about "the functionality" of a place they live when selecting and area to stay.
Im not saying not better to have that but I really dont think Atlanta metro would not be as attractive due to its terrain and topography. If Dallas had as many trees,hills and wooded areas it would not have the layout it does either.Part of the reason Houston looks more like a cross between Atlanta and Dallas as Houston is more lush like Atlanta but nowhere near ass hilly.
Even so Dallas traffic ranks as bad or worse as Atlanta's so I really dont think its so much better otherwise traffic would be so much better
Actually, no...Atlanta typically ranks far worse than Dallas when it comes to traffic congestion and hours spent in it:
The lack of a good arterial system to augment the freeways in Atlanta definitely has an impact on how things flow throughout the metro area compared to Dallas and its grid system. Even the freeways mostly follow a grid with some diagonals throughout North Texas. Houston and Atlanta's hub-and-spoke systems might have worked better back in the days when Downtown was the only job center in each respective metro area, but since both cities have multiple job centers scattered throughout the metro, the hub-and-spoke system isn't as flexible for that type of city layout.
Inner Loop Houston has a far more uniform grid system than Atlanta as well, and lushness has nothing to do with it's layout (New Orleans is in the same climatic zone as Houston and has similar terrain and layout but it's streets are on a grid). It's more about the bayous breaking up the system and the lack of uniform city planning in the city due to the lack of zoning laws and developers plotting streets in a haphazard fashion. While it doesn't have the uniform grid of DFW (and its far flatter there than the rolling prairie in Dallas, so terrain really is irrelevant too), it has a lot of arterial streets that are parallel to the freeways, but not to the degree of DFW, but certainly far more than Atlanta.
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Surely you are not suggesting those areas are less integral to the metro than others within the metro?