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Arguably, Mississippi could be on this list. Most people in the state consider the smaller cities and The Delta region to have more cultural impact than Jackson. Also, like Kansas, it’s more influential cities lie outside the state - Memphis to the North right over the border, and New Orleans has more of a cultural influence over Southern Mississippi more than Jackson does. Mississippi is mostly rural, and the largest city has under 200,000 people.
New Mexico
Florida - Jacksonville has been the states largest city for quite awhile, but Miami definitely has a stronger cultural impact, and was the states most well-known city when Orlando was a cowtown.
Ohio, since Cincinnati and Cleveland defintely have far more cultural institutions and amenities than Columbus.
Most people don’t think of Houston when they think of Texas. It doesn’t fit the stereotypes that people have of the state, it’s local culture is influential, but very hyper-local, and what most people think of Dallas and it’s stereotypes about its culture, they’re actually thinking of Fort Worth tbh. The cultures of Austin and San Antonio also seem to come to mind a lot more than the state’s largest city.
Virginia, since Richmond and NOVA are far more culturally influential than Virginia Beach.
Most people don’t think of Houston when they think of Texas. It doesn’t fit the stereotypes that people have of the state, it’s local culture is influential, but very hyper-local, and what most people think of Dallas and it’s stereotypes about its culture, they’re actually thinking of Fort Worth tbh. The cultures of Austin and San Antonio also seem to come to mind a lot more than the state’s largest city.
Virginia, since Richmond and NOVA are far more culturally influential than Virginia Beach.
1) You've just proved the truth of the old Texas tourism slogan: "It's like a whole 'nother country." I don't think there's any one city that defines that state - and besides, El Paso is really a city in southern New Mexico.
2) I think you'll find some Virginians, especially those living on the Southside and in the Shenandoah Valley (Roanoke, etc.), who would argue that Northern Virginia really isn't Virginia anymore.
I do get the sense that these days, Atlanta, its capital and largest city by far, is in the state but not of it.
But then again, neither is its first and prettiest city, Savannah. Yet that city retains far more "Southern charm" today than Atlanta does.
And speaking of first cities, South Carolina definitely belongs on this list, for its first city, Charleston, is definitely the culturally more influential one over the bigger state capital, Columbia.
And speaking of first cities, South Carolina definitely belongs on this list, for its first city, Charleston, is definitely the culturally more influential one over the bigger state capital, Columbia.
Charleston is a bigger city than Columbia. Charleston recently passed Columbia in city proper population. Columbia's MSA is still larger though.
I do get the sense that these days, Atlanta, its capital and largest city by far, is in the state but not of it.
But then again, neither is its first and prettiest city, Savannah. Yet that city retains far more "Southern charm" today than Atlanta does.
And speaking of first cities, South Carolina definitely belongs on this list, for its first city, Charleston, is definitely the culturally more influential one over the bigger state capital, Columbia.
GA doesn't belong on this list.
And as it was stated, Charleston has recently pulled ahead of Columbia by a few thousand in the city proper.
This is why I dislike threads that glorify city pop. as a comparison metric. No one in their right mind would truly consider Jacksonville larger than Miami. Only in city population, and only on paper. Miami is a behemoth compared to JAX in every other possible metric. It shouldn't surprise anyone when a 36 sq mi core of a six million person metropolitan area, has more cultural influence over what is essentially a county with 900,000 people.
2) I think you'll find some Virginians, especially those living on the Southside and in the Shenandoah Valley (Roanoke, etc.), who would argue that Northern Virginia really isn't Virginia anymore.
I mean maybe, I don't frequent rural SWVA. There are people from Roanoke who hardly consider any part of The Crescent "Virginia anymore", but those people are in the extreme minority...the vast majority of Virginians still consider NoVa to be Virginia, because, well, it is. And there are thousands upon thousands of Virginians statewide with ties to NoVa; the interchange between NoVa and the other two most populated regions of The Commonwealth is large. Nobody says NoVa isn't Virginia except for transplanted Northerners, closeted Northern Virginians who have seldom seen the rest of Virginia, and people on this gotdamn website. All those groups combined represent such a minority that it is never brought up as a topic in real life, at least not within The Crescent...
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Originally Posted by TarHeelTerritory
Perhaps NC. Durham, Asheville, and Winston-Salem are the talked-about cities in the state culturally.
None of those places are more culturally influential than Charlotte or Raleigh, are you crazy?
None of those places are more culturally influential than Charlotte or Raleigh, are you crazy?
How exactly are Charlotte and Raleigh particularly culturally impactful? Outside of pro sports, I really don't see it. If anything, these are two of the cities most lambasted for being "boring" and "sterile" which tells you something about their overall perception. Charlotte and Raleigh may have many museums, but I don't think museums are the best indicator of "cultural impact."
On the other hand, you always hear news about Durham now being a "foodie" city in the South (not to mention its obvious insane basketball culture), Asheville's breweries and outdoor culture, Winston-Salem's art scene and history, etc. among other things. Not to say Charlotte and Raleigh don't have some of these things, but they're really not impactful in the same way that the others are.
The bottom line is that Charlotte and Raleigh don't really set cultural trends; Asheville, Durham, and Winston-Salem do.
So no, I don't think I'm crazy for saying this, thank you.
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