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Old 04-20-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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That's probably not the reason. Influx of Black people, high birth rate, and people moving in from the countryside of Minnesota. Minnesota covers a lot of square miles, and if you look at statistics, most of the population is centered in the large MSA of the only large city in the state.
Same could be said about Illinois,, Indiana and until recently Michigan.
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Old 04-20-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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Same could be said about Illinois,, Indiana and until recently Michigan.
Minnesota is a fairly rural state, outside of the Twin Cities. Indiana has many cities of smaller size, than does Minnesota. Michigan, as a state, is also more densely populated than Minnesota.

Minnesota is only ranked 30th in population density, so that tells you something. Illinois is 12, Indiana is 16, Michigan is 17, and Wisconsin is 24. Illinois, though, clearly is boosted by Chicago. Minnesota, is much the same, as the rest of the state is very rural. My guess is lots of those from the rural areas, move to Minneapolis, when they're ready to start their careers. Minnesota is larger (sq miles), than WI, but has a smaller population.
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Old 04-20-2019, 06:59 AM
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Location: St Simons Island, GA
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Its really just in the middle of nowhere. Not much scenery. No ocean, no mountains, no tropical weather. Its location doesn't offer much in comparison to many other metro areas.
JMO, but I find the lake country around Minneapolis to be beautiful.
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Old 04-20-2019, 07:04 AM
 
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There are several midwestern metros with that growth, or better.

None of the metros were heavy industry cities though and that's why...

Columbus growth looks to be accelerating.

As mentioned, several other cities, from Indy, to Grand Rapids and Des Moines are doing well.
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Old 04-20-2019, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Atlanta metro (Cobb County)
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The Twin Cities are a magnet for migrants from not just rural parts of Minnesota, but also all the surrounding states (North Dakota, South Dakota, Iowa, Wisconsin). And they are drawing plenty of people from large metropolitan areas elsewhere in the Midwest - as they have a strong job market, little urban blight in a region that has far too much, great cultural and recreational amenities.

As far as the harsh climate is concerned, the Twin Cities are indeed a bit colder in the winter than other major Midwest urban centers - but the entire region has rough winters, and the Great Lakes area further east gets less sunshine and, if on the south or east side of the water, more snow. Those working in downtown Minneapolis hardly need to step outside due to the system of indoor skywalks, which is probably among the nation's largest. Many refugees from tropical countries adjust successfully to the Twin Cities' climate, so Americans from slightly more temperate locations can do so as well.
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Old 04-20-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Because they don't have American blacks.
American blacks are in the midst of a great migration back to the south.

Just how you read about the great migration to the north in your textbooks, your children will read about the great migration to the south.

Blue collar jobs are sparse in the once blue collar cities.
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Old 04-20-2019, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Upper West Side, Manhattan, NYC
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I think one factor is the markedly lower out-migration of black people compared to most Midwestern cities. Even with its hefty property taxes, terrible business climate, and falling immigration, Chicago would be growing right now if it weren't for the torrent of black people leaving every day. I know Minneapolis has taken steps to build affordable housing around the city and integrate neighborhoods, and I'd imagine that the lack of concentrated, desolate poverty lowers violent crime rates, which predominately affect blacks. I think Minneapolis may even be gaining black residents.
This is a popular theory, and it contributes for sure, but for an entire metro area this is not even close to the reason. There was a net decline of 125,000 non-Hispanic white people in the Chicago MSA between 2010 and 2017 versus around 45,000 black people net loss for the Chicago MSA between the same years. The decline in pure numbers of white people was actually nearly 3X greater than black people and the percentages were fairly similar. The city itself had a lot of black people leave, but you have to remember that the city of Chicago makes up less than 30% of the entire metro area's population. The black population outside of the city of Chicago in its MSA (aka in the suburbs) actually grew. However, the Hispanic population grew by more than this combined in the MSA, and the Asian population also grew a lot on top of that - so Hispanic and Asian growth wiped out the non-Hispanic white and black losses FYI when looking at the net impact.

Both of these together do not help, but Chicago MSA almost as many people come in as Atlanta MSA by year from outside of its MSA (aka what growth would show). I'll remind you that Atlanta MSA was averaging growth of around 75K people per year.

LA and NYC have similar trends to Chicago though - they all have very similar birth rates in these years, and NYC and Chicago's death rate is almost the same. The only difference is international migration - NYC and LA had enough to cover up the domestic losses. Chicago's international migration, while big, hasn't been big enough. As mentioned above, the Hispanic and Asian population growth was actually bigger than the white and black loss. The difference here is international migration, though bleeding white and black people certainly doesn't help matters, but as other cities have shown, it's not automatic in the net number.
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I don't care about growth by percentage. I clearly said overall population gains.
Then you're ignoring completely relevant pieces of information. Making single-factor comparisons is absolutely useless.

What stupid agenda are you trying to push here? That Minneapolis is better than most Midwest Cities? Congratulations, that was already agreed by most users.
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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Then you're ignoring completely relevant pieces of information. Making single-factor comparisons is absolutely useless.

What stupid agenda are you trying to push here? That Minneapolis is better than most Midwest Cities? Congratulations, that was already agreed by most users.
I'm not that big a fan, but that's just me. Well, really, it's not, but I prefer other Midwest cities to Minneapolis.
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Ga, from Minneapolis
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Because they don't have American blacks.
American blacks are in the midst of a great migration back to the south.

Just how you read about the great migration to the north in your textbooks, your children will read about the great migration to the south.

Blue collar jobs are sparse in the once blue collar cities.
The majority of blacks in the twin cities are African American. The twin cities are gaining blacks from other midwestern metros and have been for many years now.
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