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Honestly, I don't think most Americans really care about the almost exact same size of these three cities. Truly....think about it. I had no clue, and I'm on this forum. Only people associated with these cities, care. I could ask a bunch of people today, if they knew these three cities are almost the same size, and they'd look at me like I was crazy. They just, really, don't care. Not just these 3 cities, but most cities.
They're all pretty similar in terms of amenities and current size at this point. St. Louis maintains the largest metro area by 500,000 people over Pittsburgh and 600,000 over Cincinnati, but they're all in the same ballpark.
They're all pretty similar in terms of amenities and current size at this point. St. Louis maintains the largest metro area by 500,000 people over Pittsburgh and 600,000 over Cincinnati, but they're all in the same ballpark.
It seems inevitable that St. Louis (the city) will be in the 200Ks soon. I grew up in Illinois ~1 hr from STL (it was "the big city" that we went to whenever we went out) and never thought I'd see the day where the central city had a population approaching Madison, Des Moines, or Aurora. Obviously it anchors a large metro area (waaaaay bigger than Madison or Des Moines, certainly), but one wonders at what point (or even whether) the decline will stop.
Metro numbers showed Columbus with an increase of 43,000, hitting 2.4 million.
So, based on metro growth, I'd guess Columbus city is capturing around 65% of those people and is set to cross the 900,000 mark for the first time and hit a density of 4000 per sq/mi. Looking back at 2017 numbers, the city was showing 3,971 people per sq/mi so I would be shocked if we didn't hit 4,000 finally.
Cincinnati will probably gain around 1,500 and hit 302,000 people, and I think Cleveland will unfortunately continue to decline by a thousand people or so.
It seems inevitable that St. Louis (the city) will be in the 200Ks soon. I grew up in Illinois ~1 hr from STL (it was "the big city" that we went to whenever we went out) and never thought I'd see the day where the central city had a population approaching Madison, Des Moines, or Aurora. Obviously it anchors a large metro area (waaaaay bigger than Madison or Des Moines, certainly), but one wonders at what point (or even whether) the decline will stop.
I used to visit when I had a relative there but they left. Hopefully things change for the better, I think the Blues going to the Stanley Cup helps!
Metro numbers showed Columbus with an increase of 43,000, hitting 2.4 million.
So, based on metro growth, I'd guess Columbus city is capturing around 65% of those people and is set to cross the 900,000 mark for the first time and hit a density of 4000 per sq/mi. Looking back at 2017 numbers, the city was showing 3,971 people per sq/mi so I would be shocked if we didn't hit 4,000 finally.
Cincinnati will probably gain around 1,500 and hit 302,000 people, and I think Cleveland will unfortunately continue to decline by a thousand people or so.
Those sound about right from crunching some numbers the past couple of days.
The one reason I remain somewhat optimistic that Cleveland could post a small gain is that last year it only had a loss of 258 people. Just from that and the amount of new construction and home prices rising says it should improve upon that. But I have a feeling the 2017 estimate made up for overstating the losses in 2016 (Detroit may be in that same boat).
But even a loss of 1,000 is not doom and gloom. The city makes up about 30.9 percent of Cuyahoga County's population but would contribute about 22 percent of the population loss from 2017 to 2018, meaning it would be shrinking slower than the county as a whole, something that has been ongoing in recent years. Cleveland will eventually start to gain, but it may not show until the 2020 census (which I think will definitely come in higher than whatever the 2019 estimate shows next year).
This is anecdotal but I know someone who was trying to sell a house in a decent but not very desirable neighborhood about 8 years ago but pulled it off the market because they wanted $90,000 and all the offers were coming in under $50,000. They put it back on the market in the fall at $95,000 and got an offer that fell through. A week later got another offer that went through on the asking price.
They got a house in the most desirable family neighborhood in Cleveland for $150,000. That same house previously sold for $80,000 about 10 years ago. So, there is growing demand for real estate in the city ... and not just in the hot, to-do neighborhoods.
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It seems inevitable that St. Louis (the city) will be in the 200Ks soon. I grew up in Illinois ~1 hr from STL (it was "the big city" that we went to whenever we went out) and never thought I'd see the day where the central city had a population approaching Madison, Des Moines, or Aurora. Obviously it anchors a large metro area (waaaaay bigger than Madison or Des Moines, certainly), but one wonders at what point (or even whether) the decline will stop.
It's certainly puzzling. Some of the hardest hit North City neighborhoods literally border the thriving central corridor. You cross Delmar though, and wham, everything changes. You have to wonder when the spillover finally starts to happen. Maybe after the new National Geospatial Agency West Campus opens in the next few years in North City?
I'd also love to see a breakdown where all these leaving people are coming from. Like I said, there's projects all over the central corridor, and South City has been improving solidly over the years with neighborhood after neighborhood coming back. One has to guess that North City and some select South City neighborhoods are just hemorrhaging *that* badly.
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