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Lots of Arabs in Wichita due mostly to 80's immigration and the excellent Engineering College at WSU (aircraft industry)
The viets in Wichita are mostly Hmong culture which is culturally rich and markedly diff than San Diego or Northern Virginia Viets pops.
The rich east side of Wichita historically had very wealthy legacy oil money. Upscale residential areas reminded me of Orange County -massive, expansive and nouveau.
21st cen Wichita has most certainly changed as Oil and Aircraft in KS is not what it used to be in 19-20th cen.Now its Koch Kash and the monied families has expanded toward their hq
Toronto is 4 hours and 42 minutes away from Toledo also.
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From Toledo:
1 hour to Detroit (50 minutes to DTW airport)
1 hour to Windsor, ON
1 hour to Ann Arbor
1 hour to Catawba Island/ferry to Put-in-Bay (top Ohio summer tourist destination)
1 hour 15 minutes to Cedar Point (one of the country's best amusement parks)
1 hour 45 minutes to East Lansing
1 hour 45 minutes to Fort Wayne
2 hours to Cleveland
2 hours 15 minutes to Akron
2 hours 20 minutes to Columbus
2 hours 20 minutes to Dayton
2 hours 30 minutes to Pro Football Hall of Fame (in Canton)
2 hours 30 minutes to South Bend
2 hours 45 minutes to Grand Rapids
3 hours to Lake Michigan beaches
3 hours 10 minutes to Cincinnati
3 hours 30 minutes to Indianapolis
3 hours 40 minutes to Pittsburgh
4 hours to Chicago
Toledo area is closer to interesting areas like the higher end suburban areas of Oakland County, MI, Ann Arbor, Bowling Green, Ohio, Lake Erie, and Lake Michigan- as well as being an easy drive to northern Michigan. A far more desirable setting than anywhere in the Great Plains, regardless of the economic challenges that Toledo has. There are also many more highly populated areas within 1 hour away that have various types of jobs.
I agree with you that if I had to live in one of these 2 places, that I'd likely prefer Toledo. As it is easier to do a lot of day trips, to various places from there.
The problem with Wichita, is that it's in an isolated area with not a lot of nearby towns or other things to do nearby. I mean there are I suspect a few good state parks not too far away. Along with(I presume) some of the small towns north of Wichita possibly being interesting to visit, i.e. Lindsborg and also Salina. Maybe also Hays as well, if you were doing a roadtrip west towards Denver. And of course, it not being too far from places like OKC, Stillwater, and Tulsa, might be a good thing as well.
But yeah, I'd favor Toledo for the reason I said(it being easier to travel to other places for day trips). If more investment was done in Wichita, I'm sure this debate between Toledo and Wichita would be closer. And for me, I do see future potential in Wichita myself, if they divested their economy into more various industries, and not just only aircraft building/Koch/etc. Since for me, I would potentially like how Wichita(I suspect) would have milder winters.
ETA that I peeked at this poll, and right now it's closer than I thought it'd be, between Toledo and Wichita. Like I said earlier, I'm voluntarily not going to vote in that poll, since I hadn't spent a lot of time in either place. Aside from one time ever staying overnight at some motel, off of one of the Ohio Turnpike exits near Toledo. That said as I didn't spend longer than that one overnight and went on the next day to Chicago, I won't vote in this poll.
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Wichita is substantially more interesting and cultured overall. Toledo is essentially an afterthought in OH. All its young people leave and my guess is the census will not be kind to it. The whole daytrip thing is really not an issue in the age of modern flights.
I could see the reason Toledo is winning as more have visited probably and there's lots of OH lovers here. I do like being close to CLE and DET but take that out and weather and everything and Wichita wins and in 20 years wins big.
Wichita is substantially more interesting and cultured overall. Toledo is essentially an afterthought in OH. All its young people leave and my guess is the census will not be kind to it. The whole daytrip thing is really not an issue in the age of modern flights.
I could see the reason Toledo is winning as more have visited probably and there's lots of OH lovers here. I do like being close to CLE and DET but take that out and weather and everything and Wichita wins and in 20 years wins big.
They are both cities with big squandered opportunities. I don't see Wichita "winning" remotely 20 years from now. Kansas cannot and doesn't have a clue how to invest in actual cities compared to most other states. They would rather dump tons of money in Johnson County suburbs that already have plenty of money and need no help. Both Toledo and Wichita have brain drain issues, but they really don't have much in common overall, despite both having a manufacturing base that was larger historically. Wichita has substantial southern influences, Toledo is tied to the Great Lakes. Both have mediocre climates, but Wichita has more wind and extreme temperature shifts.
They are both cities with big squandered opportunities. I don't see Wichita "winning" remotely 20 years from now. Kansas cannot and doesn't have a clue how to invest in actual cities compared to most other states. They would rather dump tons of money in Johnson County suburbs that already have plenty of money and need no help. Both Toledo and Wichita have brain drain issues, but they really don't have much in common overall, despite both having a manufacturing base that was larger historically. Wichita has substantial southern influences, Toledo is tied to the Great Lakes. Both have mediocre climates, but Wichita has more wind and extreme temperature shifts.
You don't see that overall the growth in Wichita, despite missed opportunity, is much better than Toledo?
You don't see that overall the growth in Wichita, despite missed opportunity, is much better than Toledo?
Statistically it may do better, but Wichita has very poor overall job growth over many decades compared to many other metros. The other reason that population growth was higher than other places was mostly due to the fact that it had an elevated birth rate with a very young population. Johnson County, KS is the one and only economic growth engine of Kansas that has the majority of the 21st century high paying jobs. If Kansas didn't have Johnson County, it would fall quite sharply in every important metric.
Actually, the closest analog to Wichita, KS metro area is the Fort Wayne, IN metro area, even though the latter is somewhat smaller in size. They are both quite similar on a number of metrics.
Toledo, as it’s not that far from the Cedar Point amusement park, and, because northwest Ohio was forest land rather than grassland like Wichita Kansas, so I prefer Toledo over Wichita.
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