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View Poll Results: Which of the following could best stand as its own nation?
California 48 53.33%
Texas 29 32.22%
New England 13 14.44%
Voters: 90. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-16-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Texas needs room for hinterland expansion.
Just out of curiosity, was that supposed to came across as being third reichy?
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Old 09-16-2019, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Not only can New England not feed itself. Its too old and aging too quickly. It cant produce enough energy (maybe if they invest in wind).

They states have some similarities but things that are essential and vital to the economy and life of southern New England are abhorred in Northern New England (Urbanity/Density, advertisement). The states are defintiely too different to work cohesively. Also, New England is an huge economic backwater aside from the Boston area. And contrary to what someone erroneously posted only about 4.8million of New Englands ~14.5 million lives in the Boston Area.

Local control. 1200+ small towns with a population of 8k on average when you remove Boston. All governing themselves separatly with little to no county governance is a recipe for monumental failure and the antithesis of growth friendly. New England as its own country is a basket case. This isnt even remotely feasible.

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Old 09-18-2019, 08:54 AM
 
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The standalone nations:

Dixie (The American South)
Georgia
Alabama
Mississippi
Louisiana
Arkansas (including extreme southern Missouri)
Kentucky (including Missouri Bootheel and excluding the Cincinnati suburbs)
Tennessee
South Carolina
North Carolina
North Florida (north of Orlando)
South Virginia (from Charlottesville southward, including most of Shenandoah Valley and southern West Virginia)

Capital: Atlanta (or Montgomery, Chattanooga, Huntsville, or Columbus-GA)


California
Present-day U.S. California (Alta California)
Baja California (in Mexico)
Nevada

Capital: Sacramento


Texas
Present-day U.S. Texas
Oklahoma
New Mexico

Capital: Austin

Aries, either you made up this South Virginia thing or saw something very obscure detailing this designation. The boundaries that you gave is just the rest of VA outside of NoVa. That's really lazy to throw the Apps in with the coast like you did and say that they're all one region. Put this on the Virginia board and 99% won't know what you're talking about if you say there's a South VA from C'Ville to southward. It sounds too much like you're trying to create a NoVa equivalent.

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Yes, there is.
Sources? Where's the proof at?
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Old 09-18-2019, 10:56 AM
 
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And contrary to what someone erroneously posted only about 4.8million of New Englands ~14.5 million lives in the Boston Area.
The CSA is generous to Boston with around 8.2 million in the Greater Boston region.
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Old 09-18-2019, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Generous is a huge understatement. And still half of that CSA is an economic backwater.
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Old 09-18-2019, 11:20 AM
 
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As an aside...

Cascadia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascad...dence_movement)

Washingon state, Oregon and B.C.
In many ways could be akin to the Scandanavia of North America.

-16M people. Culturally cohesive despite being in 2 different countries (and similar mixes of majority urban progressives and also large block of rural libertarians.
-3 large cities that are growing more interconnected (Cascadia High Speed Rail?).
-Similar climate/ecosystems
-Strong and diverse economies
-Rich in natural resources/energy. Potential to become carbon neutral much faster than other populous areas of the US.
-Potential resilience to climate change, both in terms of policy and resources/climate.
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Old 09-19-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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Texas by far. For having OIL will enable it to have a Gold Standard currency and become the holder of the worlds reserve currency. Also it is the country best prepared for the true green energy revolution: Fuel Cells!
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Old 09-19-2019, 03:55 PM
 
Location: North Raleigh x North Sacramento
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Aries, either you made up this South Virginia thing or saw something very obscure detailing this designation. The boundaries that you gave is just the rest of VA outside of NoVa. That's really lazy to throw the Apps in with the coast like you did and say that they're all one region. Put this on the Virginia board and 99% won't know what you're talking about if you say there's a South VA from C'Ville to southward. It sounds too much like you're trying to create a NoVa equivalent.


Sources? Where's the proof at?
He has no proof, because as so many people on this board are wont to do, everybody is a Know It All when it comes to Virginia...
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Old 09-19-2019, 05:36 PM
 
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He has no proof, because as so many people on this board are wont to do, everybody is a Know It All when it comes to Virginia...
It's a strange concept, one that I haven't seen or heard on VA.
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Old 09-20-2019, 08:31 PM
 
Location: PHX -> ATL
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I voted for Texas. California needs water from Nevada and Arizona borders (even going into those states) in order to stay alive. Losing the negotiating power of the Department of the Interior favoring them, they would lose a lot and instead favoring Nevada and Arizona.

Texas probably has a much better water situation, with the exception of probably El Paso, but that's one very small city versus California's two biggest economies depending on water from other states.
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