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Just wanted to point out to you and the other poster, I know you likely mean improving in diversity, but to some your comment might show that becoming less white= becoming a better place. I know y’all didn’t mean it that way but just wanted to tell y’all as that sounds bad especially when you put other groups of people in that position I.e less black people= improvement.
Fair point, but I feel like the thread itself (and especially the post I was responding to) already has a strong “diversity = goodness” matra. It’s not like me and other Boston posters came up with that on our own.
Just wanted to point out to you and the other poster, I know you likely mean improving in diversity, but to some your comment might show that becoming less white= becoming a better place. I know y’all didn’t mean it that way but just wanted to tell y’all as that sounds bad especially when you put other groups of people in that position I.e less black people= improvement.
True that, and there's this caveat: just because people look different, doesn't mean they all think different. If everyone thinks the same, is that true diversity?
Philosophical, I know. But I grew up in a relatively ethnically diverse area, and everyone who grew up there ended up being more or less like each other.
Fair point, but I feel like the thread itself (and especially the post I was responding to) already has a strong “diversity = goodness” matra. It’s not like me and other Boston posters came up with that on our own.
The term "diversity" sometimes gets misused. Some people (and Im not at all referring to you) use it to mean "less white". But true diversity requires a substantial presence of non-Hispanic whites too. Within that grouping, there are huge details. Being Polish, Swedish, or Portuguese is very different and contributes to diversity. Thats why when looking at demographics of cities like Boston, NYC, and Chicago (those that have large European born immigrants), that has to be kept in mind.
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Boston is the 10th largest Metro with the 4th largest # of immigrants from Europe, so there's that.
But being "white" is not a European distinction. People from Western Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa are all "white". Given the scope of this category, Boston is not notably more diverse with regards to the "white" population than other major metros in the NE corridor, Chicago, or California.
Note that this just represents immigrants. There are tons of first-generation American-born individuals from these less common regions who aren't counted in this measure of diversity amongst the "white" population. Most notable are Lebanese-, Iranian-, Armenian-, and Egyptian-Americans.
There is a whole not-so-great history behind all of this that has less to do with "race" or ethnic designations and more to do with how certain groups of people got around segregation in the late-19th and first half of the 20th century. Also, outdated ideas of social darwinism.
Largest Indian Populations as of 2018 by metro area:
New York: 668,086
Chicago: 233,534
San Francisco: 218,254
Dallas: 205,400
San Jose: 188,861
Washington DC: 180,178
Los Angeles: 166,089
Houston: 154,352
Philadelphia: 124,692
Atlanta: 123,748
Boston: 100,246
Miami: 50,263
I did the top 10 metro areas plus the two major Bay Area metros.
I also expect Houston to pass Los Angeles.
I'm guessing most of the Bay Area Desi's live around the borders of the SF-SJ areas. I watch some Indian TV channels, and more and more Bay Area businesses are being advertised on them by the year. When I was younger, it was virtually all Chicago and NYC area.
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The term "diversity" sometimes gets misused. Some people (and Im not at all referring to you) use it to mean "less white". But true diversity requires a substantial presence of non-Hispanic whites too. Within that grouping, there are huge details. Being Polish, Swedish, or Portuguese is very different and contributes to diversity. Thats why when looking at demographics of cities like Boston, NYC, and Chicago (those that have large European born immigrants), that has to be kept in mind.
Yeah depending on the time period, "White" literally only meant "English descended males". Notice how small that was. As soon as new groups came in, more and more people started being considered "White" in order to unite against the new groups.
What America really is nowadays is a mutt country. We can all pretend it isn't, but it really has become that way. It isn't quite on the level of Brazil (IMO the most mixed country in the world), but it'll get there at some point. Don't be surprised if someone's 23 and me is longer than a Dickens Novel in the future.
Here is some data on the Hispanic communities of each by MSA. For now, Ill divide it up by region of Latin America. I have all of the top 20 metro areas as well as all metro areas with more than 500k Hispanics:
Total Hispanic Population by MSA:
Los Angeles: 6,003,538
New York: 4,924,385
Miami: 2,841,433
Houston: 2,632,586
Riverside: 2,386,270
Dallas/Fort Worth: 2,189,777
Chicago: 2,128,297
Phoenix: 1,515,683
San Diego: 1,135,348
San Francisco: 1,039,915
Washington DC: 1,009,795
Orlando: 809,852
Austin: 707,964
Las Vegas: 701,766
Denver: 680,087
Atlanta: 646,761
Tampa: 629,987
Philadelphia: 591,878
Boston: 562,958
San Jose: 527,780
Sacramento: 512,246
Seattle: 402,525
Minneapolis: 217,078
Detroit: 197,142
Mexican Population by MSA:
Los Angeles: 4,615,270
Riverside: 2,067,425
Houston: 1,937,071
Dallas/Fort Worth: 1,788,013
Chicago: 1,686,742
Phoenix: 1,302,367
San Diego: 1,010,075
San Francisco: 675,352
New York: 603,606
Austin: 579,514
Las Vegas: 527,011
Denver: 508,214
San Jose: 442,039
Sacrament: 416,385
Atlanta: 352,355
Seattle: 278,561
Miami: 155,388
Detroit: 140,558
Minneapolis: 137,568
Washington DC: 136,588
Tampa: 114,504
Philadelphia: 113,149
Orlando: 79,125
Boston: 36,035
Puerto Rican Population by MSA:
New York: 1,231,992
Orlando: 397,695
Philadelphia: 286,490
Miami: 239,780
Chicago: 205,958
Tampa: 205,594
Boston: 134,161
Washington DC: 74,071
Atlanta: 65,741
Houston: 56,630
Los Angeles: 55,927
Dallas/Fort Worth: 50,095
Phoenix: 43,190
Riverside: 36,026
San Francisco: 33,007
Seattle: 26,844
San Diego: 25,011
Detroit: 22,290
Las Vegas: 21,850
Austin: 21,838
Denver: 19,878
Sacramento: 17,727
Minneapolis: 14,438
San Jose: 12,029
Cuban Population by MSA:
Miami: 1,181,567
New York: 156,974
Tampa: 140,117
Orlando: 62,292
Los Angeles: 50,228
Houston: 38,759
Las Vegas: 32,055
Dallas/Fort Worth: 26,265
Atlanta: 25,427
Chicago: 23,926
Washington DC: 19,452
Riverside: 16,775
Philadelphia: 13,966
Phoenix: 13,868
San Francisco: 11,336
Boston: 11,299
Austin: 8,365
San Diego: 7,196
Denver: 6,631
Seattle: 5,214
Minneapolis: 4,912
Sacramento: 4,350
Detroit: 3,976
San Jose: 3,087
Central American population by MSA:
Los Angeles: 922,895
New York: 578,266
Washington DC: 497,441
Miami: 411,717
Houston: 391,644
San Francisco: 188,471
Dallas/Fort Worth: 183,660
Riverside: 132,131
Boston: 122,810
Atlanta: 104,159
Chicago: 71,173
Las Vegas: 62,049
Orlando: 48,664
Philadelphia: 45,191
Phoenix: 45,065
Seattle: 44,309
Tampa: 41,084
Austin: 37,276
Denver: 30,105
San Diego: 27,692
San Jose: 27,448
Sacramento: 25,850
Minneapolis: 24,329
Detroit: 6,289
South American population by MSA (does not include Brazil, French Guyana, Guyana, and Suriname):
New York: 963,113
Miami: 647,939
Washington DC: 187,931
Los Angeles: 157,261
Orlando: 142,791
Houston: 110,890
Chicago: 83,290
Boston: 74,869
Tampa: 72,886
Dallas/Fort Worth: 62,301
San Francisco: 60,435
Atlanta: 58,473
Philadelphia: 47,150
Riverside: 47,150
San Diego: 25,335
Las Vegas: 23,817
Seattle: 22,128
Minneapolis: 21,627
Denver: 19,941
Phoenix: 19,914
San Jose: 16,994
Austin: 16,722
Sacramento: 15,077
Detroit: 7,466
Yeah you never know. DC or Houston I think are best positioned to have 1M+ in all 4 groups at this point. That's very cool.
To me the most interesting local caveat is indeed in the Asian boom and how they are eclipsing Whites, now the case in the Bay Area's 2 largest counties.
Anyhow, to illustrate just how visible Asians have become here, I compiled data for the SF-Oakland and SJ Urban Areas combined:
2018 SF-Oakland & SJ Urban Areas:
Total Pop: 5,370,517 Total Area: 809 sq miles. 33.6% White 1,809,153
32.2% Asian 1,732,444
22.9% Hispanic 1,230,676
5.7% Black 310,721
4.1% Two or More Races 223,825
Talk about close...
Within the next couple of years, Asians will surpass Whites as the largest group in the Urban Core of the Bay Area-it just goes to show that demographic predictions can change like the wind. 20 years ago it was predicted that by today, every CA county would be majority Hispanic except SF proper--that never happened and doesnt look like it will happen.
That was a silly prediction but I do think that like with Texas, Hispanic presence is huge statewide.
I don't think of Northern and Central California as being less Hispanic than Southern California.
That was a silly prediction but I do think that like with Texas, Hispanic presence is huge statewide.
I don't think of Northern and Central California as being less Hispanic than Southern California.
Statistically Northern California is a lot less Hispanic than Southern California. That said, Southern California is the most Hispanic place in the country in sheer number. Per capita, Miami would take the cake.
I think your most Hispanic places in tiers would look like the below. I base it off of total population and how much of it is foreign born:
I just noticed I left San Antonio out of the Hispanic calculations! Thats a pretty big one to leave out so Ive got the numbers below:
Total Hispanic population:
1,399,600 (between Phoenix and San Diego)
Total Mexican Population:
1,235,594 (between Phoenix and San Diego)
Total Puerto Rican Population:
32,845 (between San Francisco and Seattle)
Total Cuban Population:
8,332 (between Austin and San Diego)
Total Central American Population:
25,099 (between Sacramento and Minneapolis)
Total South American Population:
10,436 (between Sacramento and Detroit)
I think its pretty clear that San Antonio (like Phoenix and San Diego) has a very non-diverse Latino population and is skewed heavily towards Mexicans.
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