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The terms liberal and democrats are not mutually exclusive. In fact, roughly half of democrats do not view themselves as liberal. I definitely would not classify Atlanta or Raleigh as liberal cities. Democratic cities yes but liberal cities hell no. Yes, both have large black population, however black people are not exactly monolithic in thinking. There are black democrats that are liberals, conservatives, and moderates. There is still a large segment of the black population that is highly religious and socially conservative.
I would coin the exact opposite of what you posted. I would say that liberal regions and cities actively disenfranchise black people and take advantage of the black vote to advance there agenda and abandon them once they get enough constituent to replace them. That’s what the whole diversity initiative of the liberal wing of the democratic party is all about. Conservative regions with democratic leaning metropolitan areas have been much kinder and accepting to black people. This is why you have this reverse migration of black people returning to the south and cities like Atlanta, Dallas, & Houston leading the way in black growth in this country because the south offers more opportunity and inclusion compared to the north and west. The south is definitely not perfect by any stretch for black people. Racism, injustice, and the disenfranchisement of black people is still prevalent throughout the south but other regions of the country are just as bad if not worse.
You meant "not synonymous." And that's true. But most of the conservative Democrats come from what I call the Land of the Forgotten, which is where President Trump's base lives.
And blacks are not monolithically liberal, but they do vote in near-unanimous margins for Democrats, and very few African-American Democrats who hold elective office take conservative positions - though I recently read a very interesting article in The Washington Post that argued that actually, President Obama was conservative (in the sense British historian Michael Oakeshott uses the term, which is to say, he sought to preserve what worked - many "movement conservatives" are anything but that kind of conservative in practice).
But as for black Democrats and liberalism/conservatism: Black conservatism tends to be cultural, not economic, and as I'm sure you know, most people vote their wallets first. And (again) Obama's evolution on same-sex marriage - a subject where many African-Americans part company with liberal thinking, as the Prop 8 vote in California showed - was noteworthy.
But as for "voter disenfranchisement," it's the Republicans, not the Democrats, who are engaging in the suppression of the black vote with voter ID laws and things like that. Liberal Democrats seek to drive up the black vote, because they know that about 9 of every 10 of those black voters will vote for them. Then they take that vote for granted. If the movement-conservative types didn't display a tendency to tolerate white supremacists, they could probably score more votes among African-Americans.
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The terms liberal and democrats are not mutually exclusive. In fact, roughly half of democrats do not view themselves as liberal. I definitely would not classify Atlanta or Raleigh as liberal cities. Democratic cities yes but liberal cities hell no. Yes, both have large black population, however black people are not exactly monolithic in thinking. There are black democrats that are liberals, conservatives, and moderates. There is still a large segment of the black population that is highly religious and socially conservative.
I find it funny that in a post where you are saying people shouldn't paint with wide brushes, you paint with such a wide brush on a point that is nothing more than conservative wishful thinking. Yes Black folks, by and large, are more conservative on social matters (particularly on abortion and LGBTQ rights) but that doesn't really mean anything when it comes to policy or voting.
In fact, the number of Black folks voting for so-called conservative candidates has been falling steeply for over 40 years now. This is even truer in Atlanta when it comes to Atlanta's Black elected leadership (which is, incidentally, one in the same with the entire City government for the last 50 years) which has lead the way on LBGTQ rights (100% rating from Human Rights Campaign), redistribution of city contracts to minority business owners (so socialist it'll make any Republican's head spin), extremely pro-transit (the previous mayor pushed the State to allow local tax districts because they were tired of waiting on the conservatives in state government to stop being afraid of transit), leading the fight against the outlaw of abortion in the State, and is heavily invested in green initiatives.
When I think about it, what is your proof that Atlanta isn't a liberal city? If it's the church going rates of the Black community, how is that rate any different in any other city with a large Black population like Chicago or DC? If it's a portion of the community that leans more conservative on social matters (not that it has amounted to anything) how is that any different in heavily catholic cities like Boston or Philadelphia. Are those two cities "not liberal"?
I find it funny that in a post where you are saying people shouldn't paint with wide brushes, you paint with such a wide brush on a point that is nothing more than conservative wishful thinking. Yes Black folks, by and large, are more conservative on social matters (particularly on abortion and LGBTQ rights) but that doesn't really mean anything when it comes to policy or voting.
In fact, the number of Black folks voting for so-called conservative candidates has been falling steeply for over 40 years now. This is even truer in Atlanta when it comes to Atlanta's Black elected leadership (which is, incidentally, one in the same with the entire City government for the last 50 years) which has lead the way on LBGTQ rights (100% rating from Human Rights Campaign), redistribution of city contracts to minority business owners (so socialist it'll make any Republican's head spin), extremely pro-transit (the previous mayor pushed the State to allow local tax districts because they were tired of waiting on the conservatives in state government to stop being afraid of transit), leading the fight against the outlaw of abortion in the State, and is heavily invested in green initiatives.
When I think about it, what is your proof that Atlanta isn't a liberal city? If it's the church going rates of the Black community, how is that rate any different in any other city with a large Black population like Chicago or DC? If it's a portion of the community that leans more conservative on social matters (not that it has amounted to anything) how is that any different in heavily catholic cities like Boston or Philadelphia. Are those two cities "not liberal"?
Right. Generally, Atlanta is a far more liberal city than Dallas or Fort Worth, where that poster is from. Fort Worth is one of the most conservative major cities in the country, and has only recently become somewhat moderate at most. Blacks in Dallas weren't even fully franchised in terms of voting until roughly 30 years ago or so, so I find it funny how that poster wants to downplay how much more progressive Atlanta is in terms of its black elected officials and political power especially when blacks in Dallas and Fort Worth have had very little political power in comparison.
Here is a breakdown of growth by metro ranked. Again 2013-2018. These are only considering the largest 50 metros and a couple of others that stuck out. If I left a city out of a ranking, it means the change was so insignificant that it didnt matter (small community and small growth/decline). I did include metro areas with more than two million Hispanics on all the below for reference (NYC, Miami, LA, Houston, Chicago, Dallas, and Riverside):
Mexican:
Riverside: 189,014
Houston: 172,088
Dallas/Fort Worth: 168,878
Phoenix: 126,165
San Antonio: 119,894
Chicago: 68,012
San Diego: 67,277
Austin: 60,765
Las Vegas: 59,716
Sacramento: 35,550
Seattle/Tacoma: 30,733
Oklahoma City: 21,563
San Francisco: 18,724
Tampa: 16,909
Denver: 15,828
Los Angeles: 15,340
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 14,612
Atlanta: 14,079
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 14,077
Detroit: 13,971
Baltimore: 9,101
Boston: 5,658
Philadelphia: 5,508
New York: 5,069
Washington DC: 2,797
San Jose: -17,462
Guatemala:
Los Angeles: 22,977
Atlanta: 17,882
Houston: 13,847
Washington DC: 12,109
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 9,760
San Francisco: 9,157
Phoenix: 8,411
Boston: 8,104
Dallas/Fort Worth: 6,149
San Jose: 5,775
Las Vegas: 5,225
Riverside: 4,749
Chicago: 2,431
Philadelphia: -2,205
New York: -8,593
Honduras:
Houston: 37,905
Washington DC: 25,078
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 18,069
Dallas/Fort Worth: 15,944
New Orleans: 7,742
Tampa: 6,634
New York: 6,393
Philadelphia: -1,104
Atlanta: -1,892
Chicago: -2,143
Baltimore: -3,565
Los Angeles: -11,354
El Salvador:
Houston: 46,089
Los Angeles: 45,610
Washington DC: 35,669
New York: 23,985
Dallas/Fort Worth: 21,802
Riverside: 13,296
Atlanta: 10,190
Boston: 10,112
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 7,401
Baltimore: 7,089
Philadelphia: 6,677
Las Vegas: 5,883
Seattle/Tacoma: 5,637
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 5,211
Orlando: 4,285
Phoenix: 3,443
Chicago: 1,816
San Jose: -2,492
San Francisco: -8,026
Venezuela:
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 76,790
Orlando: 34,048
New York: 15,791
Houston: 13,024
Dallas/Fort Worth: 11,609
Tampa: 7,630
Boston: 7,427
Atlanta: 6,020
Washington DC: 2,398
Los Angeles: 788
Dominican Republic:
New York: 107,038
Philadelphia: 22,655
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 19,993
Boston: 19,605
Orlando: 15,613
Washington DC: 9,549
Dallas/Fort Worth: 4,954
Houston: 4,245
Los Angeles: 492
Chicago: -3
Atlanta: -1,065
I've been reading articles about a slow down in Latino growth for CA but these statistic show the contrary. LA's growth is more Central American rather than Mexican but a lot of Mexican growth in other CA metros.
I've been reading articles about a slow down in Latino growth for CA but these statistic show the contrary. LA's growth is more Central American rather than Mexican but a lot of Mexican growth in other CA metros.
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What's the source for these statistics?
To answer point one, I think its interesting that Mexican growth in California is heavily centered in the IE (San Bernadino and Riverside Counties) while LA and Orange County are trending much more towards Guatemala and El Salvador. The Bay Area had been experiencing an out migration of black residents but that appears to be extending towards Hispanics in some groups now too.
Admittedly I am biased but of all the cities on the list for Hispanic growth, one stands out: Houston.
Houston has the highest growth of two nationalities (Honduras and El Salvador) and is in the top 5 of all but Dominican.
Houston is the undisputed king of Honduran growth and immigration and it shares the crown of El Salvadoran growth with LA and DC and Mexican growth with Riverside and DFW.
Houston will have the largest Honduran population in the US by 2022 at current growth rates.
Yall had to play catch up after Atlanta had many of those things years ago.
And I’m ok with that. We’re working hard to get our house in order in DFW. Progress is being made. DFW is second in the country in black gains since 2010. Black income levels in DFW are higher then our peer metro Houston. DFW is very close to surpassing Houston in black population. The margin now is only 10,000. Black & brown people have accounted for 70% of DFW population gains since 2010. DFW is a region in transition.
To answer point one, I think its interesting that Mexican growth in California is heavily centered in the IE (San Bernadino and Riverside Counties) while LA and Orange County are trending much more towards Guatemala and El Salvador. The Bay Area had been experiencing an out migration of black residents but that appears to be extending towards Hispanics in some groups now too.
To point two, the source is data.census.gov.
Why all the Guatemalans moving to Atlanta when it appears they're losing Hondurans ? Are the Guatemalans running the Hondurans away ?
It's also interesting that Puerto Ricans seem to be discovering Houston...
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