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And yet the black population is growing immensely more in Texas than California so using anecdotes is fun, but not useful. Black people basically don't exist in LA and SF anymore.
Nah. Blacks exist quite well in LA. The trendy sides of town (West LA, Culver City, Downtown), plus South LA/Inglewood, Long Beach, Pasadena, etc., have many Blacks. The IE has a growing Black population too. Is it similar percentages as the South, MW, or NE? Nope and that's mostly due to historical reasons. The Bay Area is certainly losing more Blacks than Greater LA, but the East Bay/Outer East Bay has a few communities with sizeable Black populations (Oakland, Berkeley, Dublin, Antioch, etc.).
Black people like the Mediterranean climate and scenery too. The problem is getting Blacks into these new industries out here, namely tech. Because LA is an entertainment hub, it doesn't have as hard of a problem attracting Black people as San Francisco does.
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Originally Posted by Ant131531
Want to know a fun fact? SF Bay Area has a higher black population share than LA area does.
No it doesn't, especially if you look at CSAs. LA has always had a higher percentage.
2013-2018 5-Year GDP Growth
+$357.387B New York CSA +21.73%
+$314.589B San Francisco CSA +43.85%
+$246.740B Los Angeles CSA +23.55%
+$143.330B Washington CSA +22.15%
+$127.397B Boston CSA +24.03%
+$120.268B Dallas CSA +29.37%
+$118.394B Seattle CSA +37.28%
+$113.477B Chicago CSA +19.13%
+$105.772B Atlanta CSA +32.07%
+$89.018B Miami CSA +30.29%
+$76.522B Philadelphia CSA +18.10%
+$64.235B Denver CSA +32.57%
+$59.322B Phoenix CSA +29.96%
+$56.142B Detroit CSA +21.53%
+$56.043B Houston CSA +12.99%
+$53.774B Minneapolis CSA +23.32%
+$53.627B San Diego MSA +28.00%
+$49.873B Portland CSA +33.66%
+$45.574B Orlando CSA +31.74%
+$41.708B Austin MSA +39.69%
+$41.116B Charlotte CSA +30.49%
+$39.767B Salt Lake City CSA +34.58%
+$37.278B Sacramento CSA +31.01%
+$34.437B Nashville CSA +33.81%
+$34.282B San Antonio CSA +33.87%
+$34.154B Tampa MSA +27.35%
+$32.054B Cleveland CSA +17.90%
+$30.454B Raleigh CSA +27.87%
+$30.082B Las Vegas CSA +31.99%
+$28.574B Columbus CSA +23.77%
+$26.663B Indianapolis CSA +19.91%
+$26.140B Cincinnati CSA +22.11%
+$25.210B Pittsburgh CSA +17.76%
+$23.000B Kansas City CSA +18.57%
+$20.438B St Louis CSA +13.33%
+$18.269B Milwaukee CSA +16.96%
+$13.628B Hartford CSA +12.96%
+$13.188B Virginia Beach CSA +14.37%
Top 10 % increase from 2013-2018 5-Year GDP Growth
+$314.589B San Francisco CSA +43.85%
+$41.708B Austin MSA +39.69%
+$118.394B Seattle CSA +37.28%
+$39.767B Salt Lake City CSA +34.58%
+$34.282B San Antonio CSA +33.87%
+$34.437B Nashville CSA +33.81%
+$49.873B Portland CSA +33.66%
+$64.235B Denver CSA +32.57%
+$105.772B Atlanta CSA +32.07%
+$30.082B Las Vegas CSA +31.99%
Nah. Blacks exist quite well in LA. The trendy sides of town (West LA, Culver City, Downtown), plus South LA/Inglewood, Long Beach, Pasadena, etc., have many Blacks. The IE has a growing Black population too. Is it similar percentages as the South, MW, or NE? Nope and that's mostly due to historical reasons. The Bay Area is certainly losing more Blacks than Greater LA, but the East Bay/Outer East Bay has a few communities with sizeable Black populations (Oakland, Berkeley, Dublin, Antioch, etc.).
Black people like the Mediterranean climate and scenery too. The problem is getting Blacks into these new industries out here, namely tech. Because LA is an entertainment hub, it doesn't have as hard of a problem attracting Black people as San Francisco does.
No it doesn't, especially if you look at CSAs. LA has always had a higher percentage.
I get what murk is saying, but it seems that the better argument on your part would be that the GDP figure for the Raleigh MSA doesn't tell the whole story because RTP essentially serves as the CBD for the entire Triangle but because the vast majority of the park is located in the Durham MSA, it gets a bigger chunk of the GDP generated at the park. The Triangle is very unique in this sense in that it had a regional primary jobs hub intentionally built between two of its largest cities.
A county-to-county comparison would be a better gauge of how Raleigh and Richmond stack up to each other but Virginia with that whole independent city setup makes that very difficult. In any case, we're left to read and calculate between the lines with the metrics that are available to us.
You restated my argument in almost the exact same way I gave it. I’m glad murk understood it better coming from you I guess, but it feels deliberate.
At any rate, I already provided the city and county GDP’s for Richmond/Henrico/Chesterfield and Wake/Durham. You can mix and match as you wish though.
Top 10 % increase from 2013-2018 5-Year GDP Growth
+$314.589B San Francisco CSA +43.85%
+$41.708B Austin MSA +39.69%
+$118.394B Seattle CSA +37.28%
+$39.767B Salt Lake City CSA +34.58%
+$34.282B San Antonio CSA +33.87%
+$34.437B Nashville CSA +33.81%
+$49.873B Portland CSA +33.66%
+$64.235B Denver CSA +32.57%
+$105.772B Atlanta CSA +32.07%
+$30.082B Las Vegas CSA +31.99%
I think the conundrum for Raleigh/Durham is that they are two cities which share employers, employees, and amenities, and the 2003 MSA split takes a hacksaw when even a scalpel would mess things up. And then people take the MSA info and try and compare it to Nashville or Richmond without context. The city of Durham, the city of Raleigh, and the Research Triangle Park are split between 2 MSA’s yet you are using one MSA worth of info for comparison.
Thankfully there is now county-wide GDP info for your hearts content. Wake/Durham sits at $105 billion. Davidson/Williamson/Rutherford counties (Nashville) is at $97 billion. Richmond/Henrico/Chesterfield is at $59 billion. There has been, is, and will continue to be a separation of the Triangle from the Greater Richmond area.
Absolutely correct! Raleigh-Durham pulled ahead of Richmond a while ago and isn't even mentioned in the same sentences anymore among business and general travelers and don't compete for the same businesses. The Triangle economy based on education, healthcare, IT, and Bio-pharma alone put it in a different sphere. Let along RDU International which in 2017 served 11,653,693 to RIC 3,657,479 passengers. RDU flies internationally to London, Paris, Toronto, Cancun, Punta Cana, Montego Bay and Montreal (2020) and is researching a direct to China Flight.
Here's some Metro Division(MD) data for whomever is interested.
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Metropolitan Division
A smaller group of counties or equivalent entities defined within a metropolitan statistical area containing a single core with a population of at least 2.5 million. Not all metropolitan statistical areas of this size will contain metropolitan divisions. The concept was introduced in 2003.
Prior to 2001, many of these were independent Metro Areas called Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area( PMSA). Oakland was seperate from SF, Tacoma was seperate from Seattle, Ft Worth was seperate from Dallas, Newark was seperate from NY etc
Per the definition, I think they seperated strong cores from each other, or rather, places that had an identity were their own metro area.
Back then, CSAs were called Consolidated Metrpolitan Statistical Areas(CMSA) and they were divided into PMSAs
Metropolitan Division Population
Metropolitan Division GDP
MD Per Capita GDP
$180,407 San Francisco
$113,919 Seattle
$106,754 Boston
$105,509 New York
$91,305 San Rafael(CA)
$91,228 Cambridge(MA)
$87,086 Washington
$85,782 Lake(IL)
$84,266 Wilmington(DE)
$83,463 Frederick(MD)
$81,784 Anaheim
$80,585 Oakland
$79,697 Montgomery-Bucks-Chester(PA)
$78,995 Newark
$77,899 Los Angeles
$76,755 Chicago
$75,651 Dallas
$72,097 Philadelphia
$68,320 New Brunswick(NJ)
$65,575 Warren(MI)
$65,264 Nassau-Suffolk
$62,535 Rockingham(NH)
$59,627 Miami
$56,823 Camden
$56,513 Detroit
$55,649 Fort Lauderdale
$54,869 West Palm Beach
$54,314 Fort Worth
$50,290 Tacoma
$47,320 Gary
$41,894 Elgin
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