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I can appreciate that, but let’s be honest here? What are the chances you’re going to Toronto on a whim or having it be a part of your everyday life like you would with Detroit? 4 hours of trip time is a huge difference to 30 minutes. This is especially true after a full day out, or a concert, show, sporting event, etc, that ends late at night. Let’s not forget employment and education opportunities.
Toronto is more of a world class city than Detroit, most won’t argue that, but I’d take Detroit 15 minutes away all day, every day, over Toronto 2 hours away. To me it’s about accessibility and usability.
Toronto is "more" of a world class city than Detroit?
I lived in Metro Detroit for 14 years, and it definitely has positive things going for it. Anyone who's ever lived there knows that. Beautiful, leafy suburbs. Affluence. But, other than its higher education system, there is nothing world class about it.
I can appreciate that, but let’s be honest here? What are the chances you’re going to Toronto on a whim or having it be a part of your everyday life like you would with Detroit? 4 hours of trip time is a huge difference to 30 minutes. This is especially true after a full day out, or a concert, show, sporting event, etc, that ends late at night. Let’s not forget employment and education opportunities.
Toronto is more of a world class city than Detroit, most won’t argue that, but I’d take Detroit 15 minutes away all day, every day, over Toronto 2 hours away. To me it’s about accessibility and usability.
It isn't necessarily just about Toronto though, which isn't even 2 hours away. You have Niagara Falls(either side), Niagara-On-The-Lake and other places in the Niagara Peninsula in between as well and all within an hour of Buffalo. https://www.niagarafallstourism.com/niagara-region/
It is tough to compare when this has really become a Buffalo Metro + Canada vs Detroit Metro + Canada thread. I still say that this is really not a fair comparison, since as a resident, most people will be constrained by their citizenship on where to live.
As a visitor, there will be a different comparison.
I day tripped to Windsor this summer while spending a couple days in Detroit and it felt a little smaller than I expected. Really odd thing was being in another country and looking right across the river and seeing the Detroit skyline tower over it, and watching the cars pass along the other side of the river in the U.S. It's like the giant Canadian flag right along the river was a reminder that you were actually in another country. Outside of the customs you go through - after a $5 city bus ride from Detroit, the Canadian flags, a historic marker about attacking Detroit in 1812, and maybe the Tim Horton's inside the casino, not really obvious that you've left the U.S.
Riverside Drive north of the modest downtown is really nice. Almost like what Detroit would be if Grosse Pointe was within city limits. But everyone I saw walking downtown, which hugs the riverfront and isn't that busy, was white. Being right across from Detroit, I found that strange.
I hate cold weather, so wouldn't want to live in either Windsor or Buffalo, but if I had to pick could do Windsor and keep my American citizenship.
It is tough to compare when this has really become a Buffalo Metro + Canada vs Detroit Metro + Canada thread. I still say that this is really not a fair comparison, since as a resident, most people will be constrained by their citizenship on where to live.
As a visitor, there will be a different comparison.
I can understand that sentiment. Though Windsor residents regularly partake in Detroit's amenities, like pro-sports, shopping, and air service. Returning Canadian citizens go through the same easy customs check at DTW that returning US citizens do.
I day tripped to Windsor this summer while spending a couple days in Detroit and it felt a little smaller than I expected. Really odd thing was being in another country and looking right across the river and seeing the Detroit skyline tower over it, and watching the cars pass along the other side of the river in the U.S. It's like the giant Canadian flag right along the river was a reminder that you were actually in another country. Outside of the customs you go through - after a $5 city bus ride from Detroit, the Canadian flags, a historic marker about attacking Detroit in 1812, and maybe the Tim Horton's inside the casino, not really obvious that you've left the U.S.
Riverside Drive north of the modest downtown is really nice. Almost like what Detroit would be if Grosse Pointe was within city limits. But everyone I saw walking downtown, which hugs the riverfront and isn't that busy, was white. Being right across from Detroit, I found that strange.
I hate cold weather, so wouldn't want to live in either Windsor or Buffalo, but if I had to pick could do Windsor and keep my American citizenship.
That is somewhat surprising too. I say that because Windsor does have a relatively visible and long time black population. It isn't huge, but they are there. Ironically, nearby Amherstburg had a black mayor.
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