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And note that Las Vegas is pretty well mostly blue...though with a libertarian streak that continues. For instance the income tax is a third rail issue. Any office seeker who espouses an income tax is dead.
There has been a forever battle between the right from the rest of the state and Reno joining with the minority Republicans in Las Vegas to keep Las Vegas out of power. That is now hopelessly broken and Las Vegas may fairly claim a right to some revenge.
The big religious group is actually the Catholics. The Mormons are a distant second. And those of no standard belief may well out number both.
And ignore the nonsense about the off strip commerce being all strip malls. We all use the various Shopping Centers which are all available in all the major suburban areas and are neat places. There are commerce arterials like Eastern or Cheyenne.. But they generally are miles long and are almost shopping centers in their own right.
Nope - well known that Phoenix has a very low urban density. Well off of Las Vegas.
So Las Vegas is actually considerably more urban than Phoenix
Please explain. Strip malls and shopping centers with parking lots are not urban. Density is also not the same as urbanity. Where in Las Vegas can someone live an urban lifestyle similarly to the Phoenix neighborhoods/suburbs that have been mentioned? Where is Las Vegas' answer to Phoenix's light rail?
I'd say Las Vegas. Sure its not as urban or economically stable as Phoenix, but Phoenix doesn't exactly excel in those categories either whereas where Las Vegas excels (food, entertainment, diversity) it completely runs laps around Phoenix.
I'd say Las Vegas. Sure its not as urban or economically stable as Phoenix, but Phoenix doesn't exactly excel in those categories either whereas where Las Vegas excels (food, entertainment, diversity) it completely runs laps around Phoenix.
Now that is interesting advice, go with the city that has better entertainment instead of one that's more economically stable lol.
Now that is interesting advice, go with the city that has better entertainment instead of one that's more economically stable lol.
Especially when that entertainment/dining/nightlife is a very specific section of an entire MSA that is inundated with drunk and annoying tourists and everything is disgustingly overpriced.
Especially when that entertainment/dining/nightlife is a very specific section of an entire MSA that is inundated with drunk and annoying tourists and everything is disgustingly overpriced.
I'm sure there are plenty of good places to drink off the strip. I went to a bar in Downtown Vegas and it wasn't filled with tourist, it seemed like more of a locals spot. So I have to imagine that one could find tons of those.
Now that is interesting advice, go with the city that has better entertainment instead of one that's more economically stable lol.
Way to twist my words around. I said Phoenix doesn't particularly have a convincing leg up economically over Las Vegas. Therefore the huge gap in entertainment, food, and diversity that Las Vegas has over Phoenix is enough to push it over the edge.
Way to twist my words around. I said Phoenix doesn't particularly have a convincing leg up economically over Las Vegas. Therefore the huge gap in entertainment, food, and diversity that Las Vegas has over Phoenix is enough to push it over the edge.
AFAIK, Phoenix's economy is significantly better though. It's a larger airline and shipping hub. It attracts more large businesses.
I know Fortune 500 companies aren't the only indicator of a city's economy, but it's one factor among many.
Phoenix F500:
Company | Rank | Revenue (in $ millions) | Industry | Employees
Avnet | 165 | 19,036.9 | Wholesalers: Electronics and Office Equipment | 15,400
Freeport-McMoRan | 170 | 18,628 | Mining, Crude-Oil Production | 26,800
Republic Services | 314 | 10,040.9 | Waste Management | 36,000
Magellan Health | 417 | 7,314.2 | Health Care: Insurance and Managed Care | 10,500
Insight Enterprises | 430 | 7,080.1 | Information Technology Services | 7,420
ON Semiconductor | 485 | 5,878.3 | Semiconductors and Other Electronic Components | 35,700 https://fortune.com/fortune500/search/?hqstate=AZ
Las Vegas F500:
Company | Rank | Revenue (in $ millions) | Industry | Employees
Las Vegas Sands | 230 | 13,729 | Hotels, Casinos, Resorts | 51,500
MGM Resorts International | 266 | 11,763.1 | Hotels, Casinos, Resorts | 74,500
Caesars Entertainment | 365 | 8,391 | Hotels, Casinos, Resorts | 66,000
Wynn Resorts | 448 | 6,717.7 | Hotels, Casinos, Resorts | 26,000
40,600.8 https://fortune.com/fortune500/search/?hqstate=NV
A couple of observations.
1) Phoenix has more F500s.
2) Phoenix has 2 F500s ranked higher than Las Vegas' top F500.
3) Las Vegas' 4 F500s combined have just slightly more than Phoenix's top 2 F500 alone.
4) Las Vegas' 4 F500s are all entertainment/travel/service industry based. That industry is far more volatile and more susceptible to economic downturns because when people make less money, they don't travel, gamble, or eat out as much. Las Vegas thrives off those three things.
5) Phoenix's economy is more diversified. A more diverse economy makes a more stable economy. As evidence, see above ^ In the Great Recession, Las Vegas suffered I believe the worst of all the major metros? Or at least one of the worst.
"Las Vegas stands to suffer more than any other U.S. big city in the coronavirus-related economic downturn...
Southern Nevada has worked to improve the diversification of its economy, especially after the Great Recession, while it has worked to some extent, Maxim said this crisis shows the region needs to bring in even more manufacturing and innovation industries." https://knpr.org/knpr/2020-04/downtu...y-report-warns
Top 3 most affected according to this article at 1) Paradise, 2) North Las Vegas, and 3) Las Vegas. Henderson comes in at #5, meaning that 4/5 cities that are going to be most affected in the country from the economic downturn due to COVID-19 are in the Las Vegas MSA. No cities in Arizona are on the list. https://www.fastcompany.com/90483261...d-19-recession
Maybe during good economic times, Las Vegas can have some okay arguments for being better than Phoenix such as nightlife and entertainment and diversity. But considering the economic future that lies ahead, Phoenix is going to be much better off than Las Vegas. Even during good economic times, though, Las Vegas' economy is not diversified. It relies far too heavily on the hotels/dining/casinos/nightlife to sustain itself. Phoenix isn't some economic powerhouse, but having a more diverse economy and a more highly educated workforce is never a bad thing.
I’ve never gotten the vibe that Vegas is conservative. It seems like it has republicans but that’s it’s solidly blue. Maybe conservative back in like the 50s-80s?
I lived there for 22 conservative years, coming from Minneapolis, which is as liberal as San Francisco, so there's my basis for comparison.
Jut one example, the Vice Squad regularly patrols the Las Vegas Strip, and resort bars, looking for "very dangerous sinful" prostitutes. Just before I left, the Vice squad did a major screw-up accusing a sexily dressed visitor at Cosmo of being a Prostitute. She was detained for 2 hours. Come to find out she was a Nurse visiting Las Vegas, waiting at the bottom of the elevator bank for her friend.
She sued Metro, she had to return 3X for trials, and she won! Court settlement was $80,000! And how many others have faced these situations with the Vice Squad but didn't pursue justice as doggedly as this woman?
The judge reprimanded the Vice Squad officers: Haven't you got better things to do than arrest prostitutes on the Strip!
And the most laughable of all, when it was ordained that there'd be 40 medical dispensaries in Clark County, our laughably conservative Mayor of Las Vegas said: There will be NO medical dispensaries in the city of Las Vegas! Even more conservative Henderson and Boulder City said: Ditto!
Now, of course, thanks to my legislative hero, Tick Segerblom, there's now both medical and recreational dispensaries in Clark County. But tourists are restricted as to where they can smoke it! Afterall, Las Vegas is a far cry from liberal Amsterdam!
I lived there for 22 conservative years, coming from Minneapolis, which is as liberal as San Francisco, so there's my basis for comparison.
Jut one example, the Vice Squad regularly patrols the Las Vegas Strip, and resort bars, looking for "very dangerous sinful" prostitutes. Just before I left, the Vice squad did a major screw-up accusing a sexily dressed visitor at Cosmo of being a Prostitute. She was detained for 2 hours. Come to find out she was a Nurse visiting Las Vegas, waiting at the bottom of the elevator bank for her friend.
She sued Metro, she had to return 3X for trials, and she won! Court settlement was $80,000! And how many others have faced these situations with the Vice Squad but didn't pursue justice as doggedly as this woman?
The judge reprimanded the Vice Squad officers: Haven't you got better things to do than arrest prostitutes on the Strip!
And the most laughable of all, when it was ordained that there'd be 40 medical dispensaries in Clark County, our laughably conservative Mayor of Las Vegas said: There will be NO medical dispensaries in the city of Las Vegas! Even more conservative Henderson and Boulder City said: Ditto!
Now, of course, thanks to my legislative hero, Tick Segerblom, there's now both medical and recreational dispensaries in Clark County. But tourists are restricted as to where they can smoke it! Afterall, Las Vegas is a far cry from liberal Amsterdam!
I’m coming from a ‘liberal’ city in Boston where the mayor actively campaigned against legal marijuana and has slow walked it so that 3.5 years after legalization Boston has 1 store..1 out of the states ~50.
We also have no legal drink specials or happy hours. No billboard for adult entertainment or marijuana are allowed. The total number of Liquor licenses are capped and fixed.
So I don’t Associate ‘liberal’ with ‘permissive of vice’
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Just before I left, the Vice squad did a major screw-up accusing a sexily dressed visitor at Cosmo of being a Prostitute. She was detained for 2 hours. Come to find out she was a Nurse visiting Las Vegas, waiting at the bottom of the elevator bank for her friend.
