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Outstanding post and I think the fact that Atlanta has long offered so much opportunity for black folks (and, by extension, everyone) is one of its most unique features and selling points.
Absolutely. A city where Black people can do well is going to be a city where all people should be able to do well. But too many people have been conditioned to view it as a zero-sum game, so the relative prosperity of Black people there is resented.
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A lot of the complaints about politics there seem to be folks almost looking for something to complain about.
Well I will say that the politics of Atlanta are multidimensional on all levels. Within the city, you have the Black elites vs the Black working class and White (affluent) Atlanta vs the rest of the city. Then on the metropolitan/regional level, you have the unofficial dividing line of I-20 with most of the region's substantial economic investment occurring north of that line, particularly along the GA 400 corridor and environs which is where the most affluent neighborhoods and suburbs of the region are located; the most visible expression of this divide has historically been suburban opposition to MARTA rail expansion, most notably in Cobb and Gwinnett counties (the northern Fulton suburbs have been more open to it, presumably because the entire county is within MARTA's coverage area and rail already extends to the northern suburbs, terminating in Sandy Springs). And on the state level, you have Atlanta as the largest city in the state by far vs. the state of Georgia. The dimensions of these political clashes are racial/cultural (Black/White), political/ideological (liberal/Democratic, conservative/Republican), geographical (urban/suburban/exurban/rural), and classist affuent/middle class/working class/poor). All of these things exist to some degree or another in all major cities and metropolitan areas, but the racialized and political aspects are quite amplified in Georgia because Atlanta doesn't drive state politics which is the case in other states dominated by one major metropolitan area.
The affluent, predominantly White (but diversifying), Republican suburban areas are truly caught in the middle between their rural, more socially conservative faction which seems to always be itching to fight new battles in the culture wars and the pro-business faction which may have similar perspectives on social issues but is not interesting in picking fights that could harm the region's business prospects.
Yeah I saw that video last week. The only gripe I have with the list is that some of the zip codes and burbs on the list don't have the best schools. Putting my child in a good diverse school with a significant amount of Black students is a must. And if it isn't diverse but predominately Black I'm good with that too. Just as long as it's a great school. Also I'm not really into being so far away from the city core. Me and my wife's business depends on going in and out the city weekly. Since we do a lot of networking, event planning, mixers and things of that nature. One of the reasons we can't wait to leave The Woodlands. These 45 min commutes to the city ain't it.
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Another group that does a lot of what youre saying: whites. This is especially true for white millennials, liberals, and the younger generation. I cannot tell you the number of times Ive heard "Oh my God so many white people" or "this place is too white" or "Im ashamed to be white" among this younger more liberal crowd. Where I get bothered is that I feel so much of it is not because they value diversity but rather they are virtue signaling. Its almost as if to say "Hey, look at me! Im one of the good ones!". It breeds a form of white guilt which I find completely stupid.
I hear comments like that a lot in cities like New Orleans,Austin and SF. I guess that's their way of trying to impress me because I'm Black. Like hey guy we're on the same team. lol Annoying
Yeah I saw that video last week. The only gripe I have with the list is that some of the zip codes and burbs on the list don't have the best schools. Putting my child in a good diverse school with a significant amount of Black students is a must. And if it isn't diverse but predominately Black I'm good with that too. Just as long as it's a great school. Also I'm not really into being so far away from the city core. Me and my wife's business depends on going in and out the city weekly. Since we do a lot of networking, event planning, mixers and things of that nature. One of the reasons we can't wait to leave The Woodlands. These 45 min commutes to the city ain't it.
I hear comments like that a lot in cities like New Orleans,Austin and SF. I guess that's their way of trying to impress me because I'm Black. Like hey guy we're on the same team. lol Annoying
From that list, Richmond seems like the best choice for you. Have you thought about Pearland? Pearland is becoming blacker by the minute.
From that list, Richmond seems like the best choice for you. Have you thought about Pearland? Pearland is becoming blacker by the minute.
Yeah the unincorporated area of Richmond inside of 99 is at the very top of our list. Even though we’re not big on subdivisions and staying so far out it’s still some good enough amenities nearby like in Katy and Sugar Land. Plus they got the kind of schools we like for our child so definitely on the list.
As far as Pearland, we just can’t do it. They have some nice diverse schools but we just don’t care for the feel of Pearland. And we know there’s a lot of middle class black families there and they do have diversity but it just don’t appeal to us. Especially to my Wife.
Absolutely. A city where Black people can do well is going to be a city where all people should be able to do well. But too many people have been conditioned to view it as a zero-sum game, so the relative prosperity of Black people there is resented.
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The profundity of the resentment towards Black prosperity is a key factor.
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Absolutely. A city where Black people can do well is going to be a city where all people should be able to do well. But too many people have been conditioned to view it as a zero-sum game, so the relative prosperity of Black people there is resented.
Well I will say that the politics of Atlanta are multidimensional on all levels. Within the city, you have the Black elites vs the Black working class and White (affluent) Atlanta vs the rest of the city. Then on the metropolitan/regional level, you have the unofficial dividing line of I-20 with most of the region's substantial economic investment occurring north of that line, particularly along the GA 400 corridor and environs which is where the most affluent neighborhoods and suburbs of the region are located; the most visible expression of this divide has historically been suburban opposition to MARTA rail expansion, most notably in Cobb and Gwinnett counties (the northern Fulton suburbs have been more open to it, presumably because the entire county is within MARTA's coverage area and rail already extends to the northern suburbs, terminating in Sandy Springs). And on the state level, you have Atlanta as the largest city in the state by far vs. the state of Georgia. The dimensions of these political clashes are racial/cultural (Black/White), political/ideological (liberal/Democratic, conservative/Republican), geographical (urban/suburban/exurban/rural), and classist affuent/middle class/working class/poor). All of these things exist to some degree or another in all major cities and metropolitan areas, but the racialized and political aspects are quite amplified in Georgia because Atlanta doesn't drive state politics which is the case in other states dominated by one major metropolitan area.
The affluent, predominantly White (but diversifying), Republican suburban areas are truly caught in the middle between their rural, more socially conservative faction which seems to always be itching to fight new battles in the culture wars and the pro-business faction which may have similar perspectives on social issues but is not interesting in picking fights that could harm the region's business prospects.
It makes politics, especially in Metro Atlanta, fascinating. For several years in the 90s, the U.S. Congressional districts of Newt Gingrich, John Lewis, Cynthia McKinney, and Bob Barr were all contiguous and at the core of the Metro!
The profundity of the resentment towards Black prosperity is a key factor.
It makes politics, especially in Metro Atlanta, fascinating. For several years in the 90s, the U.S. Congressional districts of Newt Gingrich, John Lewis, Cynthia McKinney, and Bob Barr were all contiguous and at the core of the Metro!
You know what, I never even considered that...that is really something!
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