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If the Freddie Gray incident never happened, I think Baltimore would be seeing noticable positive changes across the city right now. That S*** happened 5 years ago and we've been stuck in a rut ever since.
The city would have definitely have been in a better spotlight right now
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Man heeeelllllll no, Pgh's downtown has Bmore in a landslide...
Yeah definitely not a landslide and a case can be made for either. I personally feel Pittsburgh has the better downtown but not because Baltimore's is inherently "bad" but due to the city becoming more and more decentralized as adjacent neighborhoods boom and pull all the activity away from it.
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All of these cultural activities you say are in Downtown Bmore, are also in Downtown Pgh, but more easily noticeable---->DTPgh has the downtown of a city significantly larger than what it actually is. When you're out about the cities, it becomes apparent Bmore is larger, but downtown specifically, Pgh has tighter structural density, more people on the street, and as someone else mentioned serves as more of the center of Pgh, than downtown does for Bmore. I dont get your point about mass transit accessibility, there are four subway stations in DTPgh and the city-defined downtown is only 0.6m² as is...
Regarding the geography. DT Baltimore is the same geographic size as Pittsburgh's at 0.61m². So no, Pittsburgh is probably no more structurally dense.
Despite being seamlessly connected on an urban level and having high-rises/skyscrapers, Mount Vernon, Little Italy, Harbor East/Point are not part of DT Baltimore and if they were this thread would have been a landslide in Baltimore's favor.
DT Baltimore proper has 3 subway stops, 3 Light Rail Stops & MARC so I would not give Pittsburgh the "w" in the transit department, let alone if we included the above bordering neighborhoods.
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This isn't really close. DTPgh is geographically smaller and more compact but is way more active than DTBmore; Pgh certainly has the strongest downtown of any city I've seen below the Top 12 cities, and really has a better downtown than some of those cities...
I agree with the characterization of it as reminiscent of DT Boston; what a unique and special city...
While I feel Pittsburgh has the better downtown, it's way closer than you're making it out to be lol.
Pittsburgh's DT is more uniformly active/evenly spread out for sure due to the centralization of food & retail options. However, it does not have the same sized crowds or people crunches that Baltimore gets during peak.
You are not getting that people crunch in any city outside of NYC, LA, SF, Miami, Chicago, DC, Philly, Boston & Seattle.
Despite being seamlessly connected on an urban level and having high-rises/skyscrapers, Mount Vernon, Little Italy, Harbor East/Point are not part of DT Baltimore and if they were this thread would have been a landslide in Baltimore's favor.
Same goes for Federal Hill although it's a bit more apparent since it doesn't border the CBD.
Lower crime rates, slice the property tax in half and change the business climate attract/retain businesses/startups (MD as a whole needs to fix that one).
Those 3 things would literally fix 95% of the cities issues. The city already has the underlying foundations to boom hard, it just needs it's ducks in a row
Yep, and boom quickly too. Baltimore ain't no Detroit here, Bajan showed a nice Baltimore neighborhood in another thread and a post here already mentioned another CBD in the works. Baltimore will certainly bounce back, Kode.
Pittsburgh for the actual CBD, but Balitmore has a clear edge for the near adjacent neighborhoods. Pittsburgh ain't bad at all in this regard, but Baltimore just a few notches above it.
Man heeeelllllll no, Pgh's downtown has Bmore in a landslide...
All of these cultural activities you say are in Downtown Bmore, are also in Downtown Pgh, but more easily noticeable---->DTPgh has the downtown of a city significantly larger than what it actually is. When you're out about the cities, it becomes apparent Bmore is larger, but downtown specifically, Pgh has tighter structural density, more people on the street, and as someone else mentioned serves as more of the center of Pgh, than downtown does for Bmore. I dont get your point about mass transit accessibility, there are four subway stations in DTPgh and the city-defined downtown is only 0.6m² as is...
This isn't really close. DTPgh is geographically smaller and more compact but is way more active than DTBmore; Pgh certainly has the strongest downtown of any city I've seen below the Top 12 cities, and really has a better downtown than some of those cities...
I agree with the characterization of it as reminiscent of DT Boston; what a unique and special city...
To me urban core means the entire core including adjacent urban core neighborhoods. Downtown to me specifically refers to the CBD. Can the OP clarify what's being compared?
To me urban core means the entire core including adjacent urban core neighborhoods. Downtown to me specifically refers to the CBD. Can the OP clarify what's being compared?
Good point, although I think downtown typically goes a bit beyond the CBD for most cities and include adjacent government and tourist districts and college/university campuses, although that's far from being a hard-and-fast rule. I think looking at the urban core is best because the way downtown physically relates and is connected to adjacent neighborhoods, even if separated by natural boudaries, is quite important.
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To me urban core means the entire core including adjacent urban core neighborhoods. Downtown to me specifically refers to the CBD. Can the OP clarify what's being compared?
It's a two in one question. You can choose either city for being better in the urban core or the Downtown CBD or both. Open discussion... I imagine there will be those with mixed answers to both questions.
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