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Old 10-07-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Originally Posted by Boston Shudra View Post
50 square miles equates to a 4 mile radius circle.

3) Boston (pop 713,858 & zip 02116)
For any one claiming it was "manipulated" against Seatle.

Even this was wrong.

Boston (pop 739,364 and zip 02115)

Circular Area Profiles (CAPS) — ACS

Remember this is outdated and doesnt capture density the best. Because it necessitates a circle.
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Old 10-07-2020, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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It's not "manipulated."
The poster specifically stated that if we know of better zip codes to center the radius around, to post it (I did for Tampa and Orlando.)

Most cities have barriers too, whether water or forest/swamp. Orlando has a million lakes and massive inhabitable swamps, Tampa has a giant bay, Miami has the Everglades AND Biscayne Bay, making it just as "longitudinal" as Seattle.
I don't see the issue.

My goodness... What's the deal with Seattle posters? I thought Nashville was bad.
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:02 PM
 
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I played around with LA and SF, found a little bit more dense spots. Added some that other had posted.

1) NYC (pop 1,997,622 & zip 11211)

2) Los Angeles (pop 972,005 & zip 90006)

3) Chicago (pop 831,738 & zip 60612)

4) Boston (pop 739,364 & zip 02115)

5) San Francisco (pop 682,088 & zip 94144)

6) Philadelphia (pop 680,939 & zip 19123)

7) Washington, DC (pop 551,330 & zip 20005)

8) Houston (pop 435,162 & zip 77036)

9) Seattle (pop 410,174 & zip 98103)

10) Baltimore (pop 405,989 & zip 21201)

Miami and Minneapolis are out of the top 10, unless someone knows denser zip starting points.

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Old 10-07-2020, 01:19 PM
 
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Manipulated or just wrong?

Seattle posters reacted differently than others who did what was asked and plotted for themselves.
I did plot for myself and found a zip code (98103) that added 100K and put Seattle at #8, above Baltimore but below DC, which is probably about right.

That said, there are definitely some water-oriented cities that are majorly disadvantaged by this method, with Seattle as an isthmus being at the top of that list.

I prefer just looking at population density, which you can calculate using census tracts if you want to include areas that don't align with city boundaries. All I know is between 2010 and 2020 Seattle went from 7,300 ppsm to nearly 9,500 ppsm.
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by Texamichiforniasota View Post
I played around with LA and SF, found a little bit more dense spots. Added some that other had posted.

1) NYC (pop 1,997,622 & zip 11211)

2) Los Angeles (pop 972,005 & zip 90006)

3) Chicago (pop 831,738 & zip 60612)

4) Boston (pop 739,364 & zip 02115)

5) San Francisco (pop 682,088 & zip 94144)

6) Philadelphia (pop 680,939 & zip 19123)

7) Washington, DC (pop 551,330 & zip 20005)

8) Houston (pop 435,162 & zip 77036)

9) Seattle (pop 410,174 & zip 98103)

10) Baltimore (pop 405,989 & zip 21201)

Miami and Minneapolis are out of the top 10, unless someone knows denser zip starting points.
If newgensandiego is correct, then San Diego should be #8 at 495,000 and Baltimore should drop out.
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I did plot for myself and found a zip code (98103) that added 100K and put Seattle at #8, above Baltimore but below DC, which is probably about right.

That said, there are definitely some water-oriented cities that are majorly disadvantaged by this method, with Seattle as an isthmus being at the top of that list.

I prefer just looking at population density, which you can calculate using census tracts if you want to include areas that don't align with city boundaries. All I know is between 2010 and 2020 Seattle went from 7,300 ppsm to nearly 9,500 ppsm.
Boston's downtown is right on the water so I hear you. Nothing much east of downtown really.

Population density tells us its 1.NYC 2.SF 3.Boston.

then Philly/DC/Chicago
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Houston ia a little bit misleading because there no mixed use in that area. Just housing (with large setbacks)


So this is considered simmilary as dense as this in Baltimore.

Just using the zip codes given.
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:47 PM
 
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Boston's downtown is right on the water so I hear you. Nothing much east of downtown really.

Population density tells us its 1.NYC 2.SF 3.Boston.

then Philly/DC/Chicago
Yeah, exactly. With Seattle it's everything west and east of downtown since it's a narrow strip.
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:55 PM
 
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Houston ia a little bit misleading because there no mixed use in that area. Just housing (with large setbacks)


So this is considered simmilary as dense as this in Baltimore.

Just using the zip codes given.
Ultimately residential density is an imperfect comparison. It would be great to have employment numbers as well to understand true density...
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Old 10-07-2020, 01:56 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Miami and Minneapolis are out of the top 10, unless someone knows denser zip starting points.
Miami shouldn't have to do any explaining for itself because it already has 470,000 people in less land area by its small (36m2) city limits alone.
This 50m2 circle thing is arbitrary and statistically diminishes cities that have their densest development along substantial bodies of water.
Certainly one can pull back the circle to be out of the water in Miami, but that means that it doesn't capture the densest parts of it since that action would center the circle around less dense areas, while only capturing a fraction of the densest parts. Isn't the point to understand the how large and dense the cores of these cities are, or is this just a game being played to elevate some cities over others for homer egos?
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