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Not to be harsh but most of these Providence street views are far from impressive. Its most urban neighborhoods are Federal Hill and a few areas east of Downtown around the Brown campus that you highlighted above. But they add up to about 3 square miles and even they are not all that urban. Once you go more than 2 miles from Downtown, you basically descend into suburbia. Pittsburgh has residential neighborhoods 4-5 miles from Downtown that are far more urban than anything in Providence.
This isnt about impressive though. It's about urban. This wasn't meant to be "impressive" not trying to wow anyone with the street views. It's mundanely urban and constantly urban.
I wouldn't call anything in Providence suburban unless you're talking the city of North providence, East Providence and Eastern Pawtucket.
Much of Pittsburgh is totally mountainosu and cut off form the city in general.
This isnt about impressive though. It's about urban. This wasn't meant to be "impressive" not trying to wow anyone with the street views. It's mundanely urban and constantly urban.
I wouldn't call anything in Providence suburban unless you're talking the city of North providence, East Providence and Eastern Pawtucket.
Much of Pittsburgh is totally mountainosu and cut off form the city in general.
That first Pittsburgh link isn't in Pittsburgh, but the borough of Baldwin instead. It's also next to the neighborhoods of Hays and St. Clair which are both neighborhoods I think would be excluded from the contiguous most urban 50 square miles of Pittsburgh. The two links after that are also of neighborhoods that I think would be excluded. Pittsburgh is very mountainous and there are parts that are quite cut off--it's also a municipally balkanized region and there are many dense municipalities that *are* contiguous with the main urban expanse of Pittsburgh.
This isnt about impressive though. It's about urban. This wasn't meant to be "impressive" not trying to wow anyone with the street views. It's mundanely urban and constantly urban.
Well that’s what I meant. There is nothing remotely impressive about some of them as far as urban goes. If these were in Pittsburgh you’d never post them because there would be a hundred better ones.
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I wouldn't call anything in Providence suburban unless you're talking the city of North providence, East Providence and Eastern Pawtucket.
Yes and all of these start 3 miles or less from Downtown Providence.
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Much of Pittsburgh is totally mountainosu and cut off form the city in general.
The first 3 above are well outside the area we are talking about. Anyways nobody’s denying that suburban or abandoned areas exist in Pittsburgh. But there are also a lot of neighborhoods in Pittsburgh (a much longer list actually) that Providence has no answer for whatsoever. For some reason you are choosing to ignore that, which is kinda bizarre.
Well that’s what I meant. There is nothing remotely impressive about some of them as far as urban goes. If these were in Pittsburgh you’d never post them because there would be a hundred better ones.
Yes and all of these start 3 miles or less from Downtown Providence.
The first 3 above are well outside the area we are talking about. Anyways nobody’s denying that suburban or abandoned areas exist in Pittsburgh. But there are also a lot of neighborhoods in Pittsburgh (a much longer list actually) that Providence has no answer for whatsoever. For some reason you are choosing to ignore that, which is kinda bizarre.
Another measure of urbanity is walkability.
Providence has 11 neighborhoods with walk scores at least 80, Pittsburgh has 14
Providence has 0 neighborhoods with walk scores under 50, Pittsburgh has 26
Well that’s what I meant. There is nothing remotely impressive about some of them as far as urban goes. If these were in Pittsburgh you’d never post them because there would be a hundred better ones.
Yes and all of these start 3 miles or less from Downtown Providence.
The first 3 above are well outside the area we are talking about. Anyways nobody’s denying that suburban or abandoned areas exist in Pittsburgh. But there are also a lot of neighborhoods in Pittsburgh (a much longer list actually) that Providence has no answer for whatsoever. For some reason you are choosing to ignore that, which is kinda bizarre.
Pittsburgh is 55sq miles there isn’t anywhere in the city “well outside” what we are talking about
In curious where the people of providence live/eat/work if it only has 2 non downtown urban neighborhoods while being twice as dense as Pittsburgh
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Providence has more consistent urbanism, but Pittsburgh has more "model" urbanism and intact/robust corridors (and density is higher in the most robust neighborhoods).
That does matter a lot in a broader context of what makes a good, functional city, but as far as the relatively narrow thread topic, I get that contiguousness is in Providence's favor.
Pittsburgh is 55sq miles there isn’t anywhere in the city “well outside” what we are talking about
In curious where the people of providence live/eat/work if it only has 2 non downtown urban neighborhoods while being twice as dense as Pittsburgh
Exactly 55 square miles everywhere should be in play or at least 90%
It’s just very not contiguous and has issues with more suburban areas and abandoned/forested areas.
Pittsburgh has these robust corridors and higher peaks because it’s unevenly developed and needs to have those higher peaks to retain 1/2 the Density of Prov: it becomes considerable closer at 50 square miles because Providence drops off fast. But we don’t equally talk about how much of that 50 sq mi in Pittsburgh doesn’t feel very urban.
Another measure of urbanity is walkability.
Providence has 11 neighborhoods with walk scores at least 80, Pittsburgh has 14
Providence has 0 neighborhoods with walk scores under 50, Pittsburgh has 26
You know what, I think Walkscore is a useful tool and often times it is fairly representative of urban quality but that's not always the case. And in this case I think it's off.
For example, West Oakland in Pittsburgh has a lower walkscore than Upper South Providence:
You know what, I think Walkscore is a useful tool and often times it is fairly representative of urban quality but that's not always the case. And in this case I think it's off.
For example, West Oakland in Pittsburgh has a lower walkscore than Upper South Providence:
The West Oakland bit is understandable as the boundary definitions if they're ripping from the same source as Google Maps includes almost half of it as undeveloped ridge. That would even itself out in a larger blob that's not too gerrymandered.
I still think if someone at least made an attempt at a contiguous urban 50 mile blob excising the least dense parts of the city while including adjacent dense municipalities that are part of the large urban expanse, there would be a notably higher population density count.
You know what, I think Walkscore is a useful tool and often times it is fairly representative of urban quality but that's not always the case. And in this case I think it's off.
Very interesting. Yeah, walkscore is certainly imperfect, and clearly isn't a proxy for structural density.
Pittsburgh on the ground feels much heftier, that's for sure. Even if population density statistics don't bear that out.
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