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On a per capita basis, Rochester might be competitive or arguably even exceed Cleveland on some metrics. But, in the real world, the size gap between Cleveland and Rochester is too great that they could plausibly be considered rivals. Bigger skyline, better museums, better theaters, more eating and drinking options, etc. Some may prefer Rochester, but it won't compete on urban amenities.
But, IMO Rochester has a more cohesive, intact, historic urban core. From Corn Hill to South Wedge to Monroe Ave, Park Ave, NOTA, and the East End you have a crescent of reasonably walkble, intact historic neighborhoods.
Cleveland obviously has more, but it's hip walkable core areas (Detroit-Shoreway, Ohio City, Tremont) feel a little disconnected. It doesn't seem to have the quantity of tightly packed historic walkup apartments and attached housing that Rochester does in its core.
On a per capita basis, Rochester might be competitive or arguably even exceed Cleveland on some metrics. But, in the real world, the size gap between Cleveland and Rochester is too great that they could plausibly be considered rivals. Bigger skyline, better museums, better theaters, more eating and drinking options, etc. Some may prefer Rochester, but it won't compete on urban amenities.
But, IMO Rochester has a more cohesive, intact, historic urban core. From Corn Hill to South Wedge to Monroe Ave, Park Ave, NOTA, and the East End you have a crescent of reasonably walkble, intact historic neighborhoods.
Cleveland obviously has more, but it's hip walkable core areas (Detroit-Shoreway, Ohio City, Tremont) feel a little disconnected. It doesn't seem to have the quantity of tightly packed historic walkup apartments and attached housing that Rochester does in its core.
Cleveland obviously has more, but it's hip walkable core areas (Detroit-Shoreway, Ohio City, Tremont) feel a little disconnected. It doesn't seem to have the quantity of tightly packed historic walkup apartments and attached housing that Rochester does in its core.
Uh, not quite accurate or comprehensive. Cleveland has far more dense, tightly packed areas than just Ohio City, Tremont and Detroit-Shoreway (as B.Jimmy notes), as you call them; many surpassing the examples you have. Try Shaker Square-Larchmere, Little Italy, University Circle, Edgewater, Cudell and Lorain Station ... to name a few. And as for old-school dense apartments, also consider these:
... and oh, btw, (re the last street view) that RR bridge carries one of Cleveland's rapid transit lines (and elevated station); the Rapid (trains) directly connect most of Cleveland's hot, walkable mixed-use residential districts (including downtown and the Flats); something which Rochester wishes it had.
... note 2: only one of the above is in Ohio City, Detroit-Shoreway or Tremont. Just sayin' ...
Uh, not quite accurate or comprehensive. Cleveland has far more dense, tightly packed areas than just Ohio City, Tremont and Detroit-Shoreway (as B.Jimmy notes), as you call them; many surpassing the examples you have. Try Shaker Square-Larchmere, Little Italy, University Circle, Edgewater, Cudell and Lorain Station ... to name a few. And as for old-school dense apartments, also consider these:
... and oh, btw, (re the last street view) that RR bridge carries one of Cleveland's rapid transit lines (and elevated station); the Rapid (trains) directly connect most of Cleveland's hot, walkable mixed-use residential districts (including downtown and the Flats); something which Rochester wishes it had.
... note 2: only one of the above is in Ohio City, Detroit-Shoreway or Tremont. Just sayin' ...
On a per capita basis, Rochester might be competitive or arguably even exceed Cleveland on some metrics. But, in the real world, the size gap between Cleveland and Rochester is too great that they could plausibly be considered rivals. Bigger skyline, better museums, better theaters, more eating and drinking options, etc. Some may prefer Rochester, but it won't compete on urban amenities.
But, IMO Rochester has a more cohesive, intact, historic urban core. From Corn Hill to South Wedge to Monroe Ave, Park Ave, NOTA, and the East End you have a crescent of reasonably walkble, intact historic neighborhoods.
Cleveland obviously has more, but it's hip walkable core areas (Detroit-Shoreway, Ohio City, Tremont) feel a little disconnected. It doesn't seem to have the quantity of tightly packed historic walkup apartments and attached housing that Rochester does in its core.
Unlike Ohio City or Tremont, Larchmere is a quieter, somewhat less dense neighborhood that remains low key -- and residents want to keep it that way. The restaurant, clubs and diners on the commercial strip are not geared to bigtime parties, live bands, lots of tourists and the like. It's a family oriented district, but extremely diverse. But it is really gaining development momentum. Larchmere Lofts (pictured) and a townhouse development have been built since the year 2000. 2 more apartment complexes, including an 88-unit building at the corner of E. 121st, are rising as we speak.
Thanks for the links.
Those are great neighborhoods in Cleveland. I agree Cleveland is far bigger and has more walkable areas. You could even throw Lakewood into the mix which Rochester has no answer for. But, I think UCity, Little Italy, Cleveland Heights, and Shaker Square are more outter neighborhoods that aren't cohesive with the downtown/urban core. They are a good 5 miles from the downtown core. It's impressive that Cleveland has those outter neighborhoods/inner ring suburbs. The breadth really shows the scale gap between Cleveland and Rochester.
Thanks for the links.
Those are great neighborhoods in Cleveland. I agree Cleveland is far bigger and has more walkable areas. You could even throw Lakewood into the mix which Rochester has no answer for. But, I think UCity, Little Italy, Cleveland Heights, and Shaker Square are more outter neighborhoods that aren't cohesive with the downtown/urban core. They are a good 5 miles from the downtown core. It's impressive that Cleveland has those outter neighborhoods/inner ring suburbs. The breadth really shows the scale gap between Cleveland and Rochester.
It isn't that Rochester doesn't have walkable suburbs, but they just aren't as big or as extensive. Rochester has villages with walkability and some may include the 12 Corners area of Brighton(which connects with Monroe Avenue in Rochester), Titus Avenue area of Irondequoit and the Dewey Avenue Corridor in Greece.
Unlike Ohio City or Tremont, Larchmere is a quieter, somewhat less dense neighborhood that remains low key -- and residents want to keep it that way. The restaurant, clubs and diners on the commercial strip are not geared to bigtime parties, live bands, lots of tourists and the like. It's a family oriented district, but extremely diverse. But it is really gaining development momentum. Larchmere Lofts (pictured) and a townhouse development have been built since the year 2000. 2 more apartment complexes, including an 88-unit building at the corner of E. 121st, are rising as we speak.
I would say similar things about Collinwood (where I now reside). It is a real underrated spot, perhaps the most underrated in the city imo. And poised to improve a lot too.
There is just a huge variety of style and services in Collinwood. Definitely quieter and not as "Sexy" as other neighborhoods, but I think it's very practical and combines a lot of things I really enjoy in addition to having great recreational access too, with Euclid Beach, Wildwood Park, Euclid Creek, Sims Park all very nearby.
I would say similar things about Collinwood (where I now reside). It is a real underrated spot, perhaps the most underrated in the city imo. And poised to improve a lot too.
There is just a huge variety of style and services in Collinwood. Definitely quieter and not as "Sexy" as other neighborhoods, but I think it's very practical and combines a lot of things I really enjoy in addition to having great recreational access too, with Euclid Beach, Wildwood Park, Euclid Creek, Sims Park all very nearby.
Sorry to hear you left downtown. I'm not a Collinwood neighborhood or Waterloo District expert, but I have been to the Beachland Ballroom years ago, and it was a blast.
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