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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-06-2023, 01:04 PM
 
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I was reading this article: List of top U.S. public high schools includes 23 on Long Island: https://www.newsday.com/long-island/...8&utm_term=sub

I noticed that Half Hollow Hills East, according to U.S. News & World Report's annual list, came in at 367 and Half Hollow Hills West came in at 561 out of 18,000 high schools. I mention this because this predominantly black, middle class community is zoned for that school district: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...ey-heights-ny/

District info: https://www.hhh.k12.ny.us/
https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000037344
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000037344
https://data.nysed.gov/gradrate.php?...d=800000037344
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Old 09-06-2023, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Boston Metro had 36 schools on that list not the least of which were

Boston Latin Academy at #403 (Dorchester/Roxbury)


28.7%
White

26.4%
Hispanic

23.7%
Black

17.1%
Asian

3.7%
Two or More Races

and John D. O'Bryant at #568 (Roxbury)


34.2%
Hispanic

30.9%
Black

20.2%
Asian

12.3%
White

1.9%
Two or More Races
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Old 09-06-2023, 03:44 PM
 
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This charter school in the Bronx is 42.5% Black and is #178 nationally on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-144643

In Manhattan, Central Park East High School is 20.1% Black and is ranked #369 on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13135

In Jamaica Queens, Queens Gateway to Health Sciences Secondary School is 25.1% Black and is #550 on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...y-school-13357

Pittsburgh CAPA 6-12 is 25.9% Black and is ranked #517 on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...apa-6-12-17273

Academy at Palumbo in Philadelphia is 33.8% Black and is ranked #551: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-palumbo-17210

Renaissance Academy Charter School in Phoenixville PA is 23.1% Black and is ranked #641: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...r-school-16715

Central Jersey College Prep Charter School in Somerset NJ is 22.6% Black and is ranked #579: Central Jersey College Prep Charter School

Science Park High School in Newark is 39.3% Black and is ranked #654: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12677

Liberty High School in Jersey City is 21.9% Black and is ranked #912: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12595

Connecticut IB Academy in East Hartford CT is 35.2%(the biggest group in plurality) and is ranked #254: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...b-academy-4443

Amistad Academy in New Haven CT is 59.7% Black and is ranked #310(likely the highest ranked predominantly Black HS in the region): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...d-academy-4406

Achievement First Hartford Academy in Hartford is 72.9% Black and is ranked #531(likely has the highest percentage for a ranked school in the region): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...academy-153310

Pioneer Charter School of Science in Everett MA is 23.6% Black and is ranked #472: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...f-science-9255

Something to keep in mind that all are a magnet or charter school. I'll try to find the highest ranked school that is neither later, though Half Hollow Hills is actually a SD on Long Island and you can attend either one of those schools if you live in Wheatley Heights.

You also have a high school like Malverne which is ranked #1472 out of 18,000 schools and is 49.7% Black, with all students in the district attending that school and this predominantly Black, middle class community zoned for that district: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...3-lakeview-ny/
Malverne HS info: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13850

So, you may have others like Malverne HS with a Lakeview type of community in the region. In fact, Elmont is a similar example, as Elmont Memorial HS is 65.9% Black and is ranked #1546: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-14062
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...273-elmont-ny/
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Old 09-07-2023, 02:51 PM
 
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^More schools...

Carver HS in Philadelphia is 60.8% and is ranked #995: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-17251

Pittsburgh Science And Technology Academy is 38.3% and is ranked #999: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...y-academ-17271

Valley Stream South on Long Island near SE Queens is 28.3% and is ranked #897(non magnet/charter): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-14135
Serves this community: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...ley-stream-ny/ and parts of the southern portion of this community: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...ley-stream-ny/

Valley Stream Central is 37.9% and ranked #1520: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-14132
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Old 09-07-2023, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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In a previous thread, someone mentioned that the study did not take into account the cost of living when evaluating income. It was pointed out that $100k can go further in Philadelphia than in high-cost areas such as NYC, NNJ, or Boston.

Honestly, this confirms what I believed from the beginning: Philly is the ideal option for middle-class black families who earn an average of $100k annually, which was coincidentally the amount used in that sturdy.
But to use that as Gospel is unfair and the comparisons are biased because the definition of "middle class" varies by location and the black population is not the same everywhere.
NYC and Boston are more appropriate for lower/working-class families since the quality of life in less affluent Boston neighborhoods, like Dorchester, is significantly better than that of Philadelphia.

When considering the Metro, I find it hard as hell to believe that Philly deserves that low of a ranking. Unless the less desirable areas such as Camden, Bristol, Norristown, Chester, and Darby (not to be confused with Upper Darby, which is light years ahead of the borough and TWP) are being taken into account and weighed disproportionately to the premier black suburbs, which there are many of.
The only issue is that you're not taking a 100K job from one metro to another. You're taking a position in whatever field you're in and that position may pay more or less depending on the metro. Even now in a remote environment, a lot of employers want you assigned to a particular office and then pay you in accordance with the scale for that market.
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Old 09-07-2023, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Just looking at some "middle class" jobs. These are mean incomes for Black/African American with a college degree. The first number is for DC and the second in parentheses is for Philly.

Computer and Systems Information Manager - $112,916 ($98,000)
Human Resources Manager - $139,984 ($75,195)
Education Administrator - $88,364 ($67,737)
Human Resources Worker - $96,289 ($53,298)
Elementary School Teacher - $72,650 ($59,440)
Social and Human Services Assistant - $85,917 ($33,966)
Social Worker - $64,552 ($47,491)

So the question isn't whether 100K goes further in Philly than in DC, LA, etc. The question is "What does your current position pay in that city and does the higher pay justify a move?"
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Old 09-07-2023, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Same jobs for Brooklyn, NY.

Computer and Systems Information Manager - $138,277
Human Resources Manager - $71,250
Education Administrator - $121,674
Human Resources Worker - $76,494
Elementary School Teacher - $62,598
Social and Human Services Assistant - $47,626
Social Worker - $50,803
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Old 09-10-2023, 10:36 PM
 
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This charter school in the Bronx is 42.5% Black and is #178 nationally on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-144643

In Manhattan, Central Park East High School is 20.1% Black and is ranked #369 on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13135

In Jamaica Queens, Queens Gateway to Health Sciences Secondary School is 25.1% Black and is #550 on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...y-school-13357

Pittsburgh CAPA 6-12 is 25.9% Black and is ranked #517 on the list: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...apa-6-12-17273

Academy at Palumbo in Philadelphia is 33.8% Black and is ranked #551: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-palumbo-17210

Renaissance Academy Charter School in Phoenixville PA is 23.1% Black and is ranked #641: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...r-school-16715

Central Jersey College Prep Charter School in Somerset NJ is 22.6% Black and is ranked #579: Central Jersey College Prep Charter School

Science Park High School in Newark is 39.3% Black and is ranked #654: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12677

Liberty High School in Jersey City is 21.9% Black and is ranked #912: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12595

Connecticut IB Academy in East Hartford CT is 35.2%(the biggest group in plurality) and is ranked #254: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...b-academy-4443

Amistad Academy in New Haven CT is 59.7% Black and is ranked #310(likely the highest ranked predominantly Black HS in the region): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...d-academy-4406

Achievement First Hartford Academy in Hartford is 72.9% Black and is ranked #531(likely has the highest percentage for a ranked school in the region): https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...academy-153310

Pioneer Charter School of Science in Everett MA is 23.6% Black and is ranked #472: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...f-science-9255

Something to keep in mind that all are a magnet or charter school. I'll try to find the highest ranked school that is neither later, though Half Hollow Hills is actually a SD on Long Island and you can attend either one of those schools if you live in Wheatley Heights.

You also have a high school like Malverne which is ranked #1472 out of 18,000 schools and is 49.7% Black, with all students in the district attending that school and this predominantly Black, middle class community zoned for that district: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...3-lakeview-ny/
Malverne HS info: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-13850

So, you may have others like Malverne HS with a Lakeview type of community in the region. In fact, Elmont is a similar example, as Elmont Memorial HS is 65.9% Black and is ranked #1546: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-14062
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...273-elmont-ny/
Just to give a sports reference about the bolded school:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NL6pYxy6...wDzM9F9oTk1-Dh
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Medgar Evers Prep in Brooklyn is 86.1% Black and is ranked #652: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...y-school-13298

Achievement First Crown Heights Charter School in Brooklyn is 89.9% Black and is ranked #705: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-school-144735

Academy of Aerospace and Engineering in Windsor CT outside of Hartford is 34.3% and is ranked #1507: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...gineering-4428

Hampden Charter School of Science in Chicopee MA out side of Springfield is 28.7% and ranked #884: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...-science-91966

Community Charter School of Cambridge outside of Boston is 70.8% and ranked #1231: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...cambridge-9253

Columbia HS in the Maplewood-South Orange SD in NJ is 31.7% and is ranked #1035: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12765

Montclair HS is 24.4% and is ranked #1202: https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...h-school-12765
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Old 09-14-2023, 11:07 AM
 
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This is interesting as things will vary. In terms of safety, it is usually Albany and/or Syracuse have lower crime rates than Buffalo and Rochester.

Affordability goes Buffalo, Syracuse, Rochester(the middle two are close, but I think Syracuse is a little more affordable) and Albany.

Black presence is between Buffalo and Rochester, as both are about 40% black, give or take. Buffalo at one time in the past was actually known for being a good city to migrate to for black people decades ago. Syracuse and Albany are close, as both are about a third black and have black populations that continue to grow in the city limits and metro. Syracuse is a bigger city proper, but makes the Albany are interesting is that it is a little bit bigger than the Syracuse metro and it also has cities such as Schenectady(about 25% black) and Troy(about 20% black) that are smaller cities centers in the area. Hence, the official name of the Albany metro area being the Albany-Schenectady-Troy metro area.

Buffalo and Rochester are known for their festivals. For instance, Buffalo has had a Juneteenth Festival going back to 1976 that has been quite popular for a long time. Buffalo also has a bunch of other cultural centered festivals like the Pine Grill Reunion, Gospel Fest, etc. Rochester has events like the Summer Soul Fest that was this past weekend, along with the Clarissa Street Reunion(the business district for the historically black 3rd Ward that had many black owned businesses before Urban Renewal). Rochester also just had a Pan African Festival and a Wet Indian festival(the area has a substantial Jamaican population). In Syracuse, we have a long time Juneteenth Festival that goes back to 1988, multiple Jazz related festivals/events and as host of the NYS Fair, has a Pan African Village. Albany hosts a Pinkster Festival(an old African-Dutch celebration from the 1700's-early 1800's that enslaved Africans in the Hudson Valley/local area would celebrate around Pentecost) and some other festivals as well. Schenectady has a long time Juneteenth celebration as well.

Buffalo and Rochester have black owned media including multiple print outlets and radio(locally owned). Syracuse has some media(a local newspaper, an locally owned internet radio station and some other shows). Not completely sure in regards to Albany. on a side note, Utica in between Syracuse and Albany has a black owned radio station as well.

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As for schools, all of them have their struggles, but also have good charter, magnet/special education programs and private options that families in those cities go with. I believe the four cities, all but something like 4 or 5 out of roughly 35 public or charter high schools aren't predominantly or pluralistically more black in student enrollment. I guess if I were give an order, I'd say Albany, Syracuse and a toss up between Buffalo and Rochester, but any distance is too great.

I will say that Syracuse Academy of Science, a charter on the city's West Side, did have a 100% graduation rate not that long ago: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000056174
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000056174
https://www.sascs.org/

Private schools such as Bishop Ludden and Bishop Grimes in the Syracuse area; Bishop Kearney and Aquinas Institute in the Rochester area and The Park School of Buffalo are some that are around 20% black.

You also have some suburban school districts between each of these areas that some families go to, but pretty much any suburban district will have some black families to some degree.

In terms of say intangibles, Buffalo and Albany are interesting due to their proximity to major areas such as Toronto and NYC, both of which are around 2 hours away give or take. Boston is also only about a couple of hours away from Albany. Syracuse is more centrally located between these cities, outdoor amenities and it is about 3 and half/4 hours from NYC, Philadelphia, Toronto and Montreal(Boston is about 4 and half hours, give or take and DC is about 5 hours). Rochester has the highest black percentage of the four at roughly 42% and is in between Buffalo and Syracuse.

In terms of an area between the 4 cities, I'd say that the northern/Salt Springs-Mountainview portion of the 13224 zip code on Syracuse's East Side offers a predominantly black working-solidly middle class area in a zip code that is about 36% black, with an above average educational attainment that is an area largely within city limits: https://data.census.gov/profile/ZCTA...860XX00US13224
https://data.census.gov/table?g=860X...SDP5Y2021.DP05
https://data.census.gov/table?t=Educ...ST5Y2021.S1501 (30.1% of black residents 25 and older have at least a Bachelors degree)

I may add more that comes to mind later or if you/anyone has any other questions.
In terms of the bolded types of schools, here are some examples of high schools between these 4 NY areas and a couple of others that fit either of those categories.

Buffalo area, Buffalo Academy of Science: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000057454
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057454
https://www.buffsci.org/

CSAT: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000051942
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000051942
https://www.csat-k12.org/

Global Concepts(Lackawanna): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052086
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052086
https://www.globalccs.org/

Health Sciences: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000065871
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000065871
https://www.healthsciencescharterschool.org/

Tapestry: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052433
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052433
https://tapestryschool.org/

WNY Maritime: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000057456
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000057456
https://www.wnymcs.com/

More charter school info: https://enrollbuffalocharters.org/

Arts High: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052923
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052923
https://www.buffaloartsacademy.org/

City Honors: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052908
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052908
https://cityhonors.org/

Olmsted: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052936
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052936
https://www.buffaloschools.org/o/ps156

Hutchinson Tech(aka Hutch Tech): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052911
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052911
Hutchinson Central Technical High School, Buffalo, NY

Da Vinci: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000052894
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000052894
https://www.buffaloschools.org/o/ps212


Rochester area, Eugenio Maria De Hostos: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050603
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050603
https://www.emhcharter.org/

Rochester Academy Charter: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000061097
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000061097
https://www.racschool.com/

Rochester Prep: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000059516
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059516
https://rochesterprep.uncommonschools.org/
https://rochesterprep.uncommonschool...ester-prep-hs/

University Prep for Young Men(aka UPrep): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000067651
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000067651
https://uprep.org/home

Vertus: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000082490
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000082490
https://www.vertusschool.org/

Young Women's College Prep(Greece): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000071083
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000071083
https://youngwomenscollegeprep.org/

More area charter school info: https://www.goodschoolsroc.org/

East High(partnership with Univ. of Rochester ?): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050520
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050520
https://www.rcsdk12.org/east

Wilson Magnet(has the International Baccalaureate program): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050526
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050526
https://www.rcsdk12.org/wilsoncommencement

Early College International: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000069077
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000069077
https://www.rcsdk12.org/echs

World of Inquiry School: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050113
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050113
https://www.rcsdk12.org/58

School of the Arts: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000050516
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000050516
https://www.rcsdk12.org/sota


Syracuse area, Syracuse Academy of Science: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000056174
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000056174
https://www.sascs.org/

A very new charter school, OnTech: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000089183
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000089183
https://www.ontechcharter.com/

Syracuse Institute of Technology at Central(aka ITC): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040860
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040860
School Home | The Syracuse City School District | Syracuse, NY

Corcoran High(has district's International Baccalaureate program): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000040887
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000040887
https://www.syracusecityschools.com/...cfm?pageid=356
https://www.syracusecityschools.com/corcoran


Albany area, Albany Leadership Charter: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000068133
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000068133
https://www.albanyleadership.org/

Green Tech: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000059776
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000059776
https://www.greentechhigh.org/

A pretty new charter school in Troy, Troy Prep: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000061096
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000061096
https://www.kippcapital.org/schools/...p-high-school/

Albany High(has the IB program): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000055743
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000055743
https://www.albanyschools.org/academics/high-school/ib
https://www.albanyschools.org/schools/albanyhigh/index
Other programs: https://www.albanyschools.org/academ...chool/programs

Schenectady High(also has the IB program and a school of Arts): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000038397
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000038397
https://www.schenectadyschools.org/o...al-programs-ib
https://www.schenectadyschools.org/o...l-of-fine-arts
https://www.schenectadyschools.org/o/shs
More programs: https://www.schenectadyschools.org/o...course-catalog


Also, this is a charter school just outside of Utica in nearby Herkimer County, Utica Academy of Science: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000075839
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000075839
https://www.uascs.org/

Just to add, another high school with multiple programs within it is Binghamton High, which has the IB program and the Serling School of Fine Arts(named after the writer of the Twilight Zone, who is a graduate): https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000055085
https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000055085
https://bcsd1.ss14.sharpschool.com/d..._baccalaureate
https://bcsd1.ss14.sharpschool.com/d...ents/fine_arts
https://bhs.binghamtonschools.org/

There may be programs in other schools in those areas, but this can give an idea of options in those areas.
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