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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-25-2022, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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These are beautiful!

Yea, i think so too!


On the same street...

An example of tasteful/neighborhood character-based redevelopment that Boston tends to like in residential areas:

During my childhood:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/78...!4d-71.0876831

Today:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/78...!4d-71.0876831

This is an 80% black census tract and tese two street are often given All-America awards as exceptionally beaitufl and clean streets:

Alaska Street, Grove Hall- https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3211...7i16384!8i8192

Moreland Street, Grove Hall:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3240...7i16384!8i8192

Roxbury is a truly special place
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Old 05-25-2022, 09:45 AM
 
Location: MD -> NoMa DC
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Yea, i think so too!


On the same street...

An example of tasteful/neighborhood character-based redevelopment that Boston tends to like in residential areas:

During my childhood:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/78...!4d-71.0876831

Today:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/78...!4d-71.0876831

This is an 80% black census tract and tese two street are often given All-America awards as exceptionally beaitufl and clean streets:

Alaska Street, Grove Hall- https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3211...7i16384!8i8192

Moreland Street, Grove Hall:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3240...7i16384!8i8192

Roxbury is a truly special place
Beautiful and cleanly. I love how they tastefully were able to increase the density by adding the triple decker in its place. Shout out to the Bury!
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Old 05-25-2022, 09:50 AM
 
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Beautiful and cleanly. I love how they tastefully were able to increase the density by adding the triple decker in its place. Shout out to the Bury!
Even more, its not a triple-decker, its just an apartment building- here it is from the front.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/78...!4d-71.0876831

Yes, there are WIC and EBT available at the store a block away but you will literally see middle-class black individuals in an urban setting walking around in the area. My grandmother lives right here and I lived with her for some years. She routinely walks to the supermarket and visits friends in the neighborhood as do i. In fact, she's 83 years old and has lived in this area for 53 of those years. Never once owned a car doesnt even have a driver's license. Never had a housebreak or an assault either.

It aint perfect by any means but your kids can play in most of Roxbury safely.
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Old 05-25-2022, 10:16 AM
 
Location: MD -> NoMa DC
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Even more, its not a triple-decker, its just an apartment building- here it is from the front.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/78...!4d-71.0876831

Yes, there are WIC and EBT available at the store a block away but you will literally see middle-class black individuals in an urban setting walking around in the area. My grandmother lives right here and I lived with her for some years. She routinely walks to the supermarket and visits friends in the neighborhood as do i. In fact, she's 83 years old and has lived in this area for 53 of those years. Never once owned a car doesnt even have a driver's license. Never had a housebreak or an assault either.

It aint perfect by any means but your kids can play in most of Roxbury safely.
Whole time, I thought it was a triple decker. Looking at it from the Humboldt ave side, I see it's an apartment building. It seems like the city is big on incremental & gentle development in it's residential black neighborhoods.

Damn, that seems like heaven. It seems like a good part of the neighborhood for sure if one isn't involved in the mix for sure.

I've been hearing about Roslindale a lot. Are there any majority-black parts in Roslindale with the same feel and aesthetic?

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Old 05-25-2022, 10:25 AM
 
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Also, how much would places like those in the street views go for in Roxbury?
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Old 05-25-2022, 10:36 AM
 
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Also, how much would places like those in the street views go for in Roxbury?
A whole building? Today 900k-2M.

A floor? (because many if not most are condos) 350-700k.

Rent? a 3BR would be $2400-$2800. 2BR $1900-2200. A lot of these buildings on Howland/Hoombldt are 6-12 Bedrooms.

9 BR, 5 Bath, $1.7M https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/roxbury/...19--1087491173

14 Bed 3 Bath 1.7M https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/dorchest...21--2001473718

5 Bed 3 Bath 729k https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/boston/2...21--2001471913

4 Bed 3 Bath (north of there) 550k https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/roxbury/...19--2171827721

In Roxbury the only thing selling are whole buildings. So most stuff is over 1 milllionsection 8'd out, or sold to condo owners. There was never a $1M homesale in Roxbury until 2011
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Old 05-25-2022, 10:43 AM
 
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A whole building? Today 900k-2M.

A floor? (because many if not most are condos) 350-700k.

Rent? a 3BR would be $2400-$2800. 2BR $1900-2200. A lot of these buildings on Howland/Hoombldt are 6-12 Bedrooms.

9 BR, 5 Bath, $1.7M https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/roxbury/...19--1087491173

14 Bed 3 Bath 1.7M https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/dorchest...21--2001473718

5 Bed 3 Bath 729k https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/boston/2...21--2001471913

4 Bed 3 Bath (north of there) 550k https://www.trulia.com/p/ma/roxbury/...19--2171827721

In Roxbury the only thing selling are whole buildings. So most stuff is over 1 milllionsection 8'd out, or sold to condo owners. There was never a $1M homesale in Roxbury until 2011
Wow, do you know of any people in the community that have formed a company to "buy back the block" in a sense, in order to keep the character of the neighborhood intact? Something similar was done in parts of Brooklyn in order to keep neighborhoods there from being completely gentrified/keep the culture intact.
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:03 AM
 
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Whole time, I thought it was a triple decker. Looking at it from the Humboldt ave side, I see it's an apartment building. It seems like the city is big on incremental & gentle development in it's residential black neighborhoods.

Damn, that seems like heaven. It seems like a good part of the neighborhood for sure if one isn't involved in the mix for sure.

I've been hearing about Roslindale a lot. Are there any majority-black parts in Roslindale with the same feel and aesthetic?
Yea you're not gonna hear people say "i cant wait to leave Roxbury" It s widely loved by blacks throughout New England. It's honestly one of my favorite places Ive ever been and I feel privileged to have been able to live there briefly and have so much family there. If not for entrenched gangs and dysfunctional Boston schools (except exams and some charters) it wouldve gentrified 30-40 years ago.

Roslindale has blackish, plurality black places on the eastern side close to Mattapan and Hyde Park. its prettier sections are typically white, the black parts are more mundane.

I briefly lived in Roslindale as a baby Its another liberal neighborhood without a history of racial tensions back in the 70s.

Black parts of Roslindale:
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-3-suffolk-ma/
37% black Median Household income 114k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2763...7i16384!8i8192


https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-2-suffolk-ma/
32% black median income 125k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2840...7i16384!8i8192

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-2-suffolk-ma/
66% Black median income 58k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2930...7i16384!8i8192

47% Black, 35% Latino Median income 55k https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-1-suffolk-ma/
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2809...7i16384!8i8192

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-7-suffolk-ma/
34% White 24% Black 39% Latino Median income 90k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2774...7i16384!8i8192

30% Black 121k https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-2-suffolk-ma/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2818...7i13312!8i6656
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:22 AM
 
Location: MD -> NoMa DC
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Yea you're not gonna hear people say "i cant wait to leave Roxbury" It s widely loved by blacks throughout New England. It's honestly one of my favorite places Ive ever been and I feel privileged to have been able to live there briefly and have so much family there. If not for entrenched gangs and dysfunctional Boston schools (except exams and some charters) it wouldve gentrified 30-40 years ago.

Roslindale has blackish, plurality black places on the eastern side close to Mattapan and Hyde Park. its prettier sections are typically white, the black parts are more mundane.

I briefly lived in Roslindale as a baby Its another liberal neighborhood without a history of racial tensions back in the 70s.

Black parts of Roslindale:
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-3-suffolk-ma/
37% black Median Household income 114k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2763...7i16384!8i8192


https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-2-suffolk-ma/
32% black median income 125k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2840...7i16384!8i8192

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-2-suffolk-ma/
66% Black median income 58k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2930...7i16384!8i8192

47% Black, 35% Latino Median income 55k https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-1-suffolk-ma/
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2809...7i16384!8i8192

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-7-suffolk-ma/
34% White 24% Black 39% Latino Median income 90k
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2774...7i16384!8i8192

30% Black 121k https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-2-suffolk-ma/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2818...7i13312!8i6656
Just looked at the majority-black Roslindale parts you mentioned. They're a bit underwhelming. It seems mostly residential and a good distance away from the commercial corridors of Roslindale. I don't think I'd live there at this current stage of my life but I could see how those parts of Roslindale could be really attractive to many families.

Yeah. I rate Roxbury extremely highly and I could see how people wouldn't want to leave Roxbury. From all of the youtube street tours to the google map links presented, I love how many of the walkable, commercial corridors are still well maintained and have kept their historical appeal to them. I see why it's well-received amongst black New Englanders. Condo prices don't seem all too bad too. I could see it booming in a big way if all of the issues are taken care of or at least tampered down.
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Old 05-25-2022, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Wow, do you know of any people in the community that have formed a company to "buy back the block" in a sense, in order to keep the character of the neighborhood intact? Something similar was done in parts of Brooklyn in order to keep neighborhoods there from being completely gentrified/keep the culture intact.
Not that I know of. There is a bit of white population growth creeping from Jamaica Plain in the South and West but the Latino community is somewhat of a buffer/sacrificial lamb.

Most white people in Roxbury live on Fort Hill to the west/northwest. Their number haven't grown much at allin the past decade (1.5% population share increase), it's actually been more multiracial people, Asians and Hispanics that have diluted the black population. I think Asians are around 7-8% of Roxbury now. Many Somalians too, down closer to Mission Hill and nearer the white folks.
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