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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-13-2022, 10:00 AM
 
Location: 215
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Here are some more cities from NJ, Asbury Park: 21.6%

Atlantic City: 11.7%

Bridgeton: 17%

Burlington: 45.1%

Camden: 17%

East Orange: 31.4%

Englewood: 47.8%

Hackensack: 40.9%

Linden: 46.3%

Millville: 21.7%

New Brunswick: 30.3%

Plainfield: 41.2%

Rahway: 49.5%

Woodbury: 24.3%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...5Y2020.B19001B

In NY, Beacon: 31.8%

Binghamton: 12.8%

Elmira: 19.4%

Ithaca: 11.7%

Kingston: 25.6%

Mount Vernon: 36.2%

Newburgh: 17.5%

New Rochelle: 42.2%

Niagara Falls: 11.7%

Peekskill: 36.5%

Poughkeepsie: 24.2%

Rome: 23.1%

Schenectady: 13.8%

Utica: 13.1%

Watertown: 18%

White Plains: 44.3%

Yonkers: 42.3%

Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...3684000&y=2020 (A lot of cities had decent amounts of households in the $60-74,999 range)

I'll try to do some others later...
I knew AC was poor but... Damn.
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Old 07-13-2022, 10:54 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Which neighborhoods could you see yourself living in?
1. Point Breeze
2. Mantua

General order after that:
Mt Airy
University City
Fairmount
Spring Garden
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Old 07-13-2022, 11:06 AM
 
Location: D.C. / I-95
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I knew AC was poor but... Damn.
AC is not a good city to live at all. If a black person wants to move to South Jersey I recommend the suburbs.
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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1. Point Breeze
2. Mantua

General order after that:
Mt Airy
University City
Fairmount
Spring Garden
<SesameStreet>

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things doesn't belong...

</SesameStreet>

But there's a chance it might someday.
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:40 PM
 
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i cant imagine my non-english speaking parents surviving in philadelphia without a community to help them with under-the-table-jobs, susu, documentations, radio/t.v. (information and music), foods, ...
I can't see that being a problem in a metropolitan region of over 7 million people.
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:46 PM
 
Location: New York NY
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Have not read this entire thread, but see that Philly is leading the poll. I seriously wonder though if anyone has considered the state of Philadelphia public schools. They are widely considered pretty bad, and that could be a big deterrent for a family considering living within the city limits. Many middle-class Black families leave cities like Philly (New York too) just because of that. Of the three big cities listed, I'd say Philly by far has the worst public system.

Of course if we're talking metro areas there are fine school systems in suburbs around all of these cities.
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Old 07-13-2022, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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i cant imagine my non-english speaking parents surviving in philadelphia without a community to help them with under-the-table-jobs, susu, documentations, radio/t.v. (information and music), foods, ...
If they speak Spanish, that will be no problem at all.

If they speak Haitian Creole, they will also have options, though not as many. (No TV/radio, for instance.)
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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<SesameStreet>

One of these things is not like the others
One of these things doesn't belong...

</SesameStreet>

But there's a chance it might someday.
Mantua? (rougher) or Mt airy? (suburban)
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Have not read this entire thread, but see that Philly is leading the poll. I seriously wonder though if anyone has considered the state of Philadelphia public schools. They are widely considered pretty bad, and that could be a big deterrent for a family considering living within the city limits. Many middle-class Black families leave cities like Philly (New York too) just because of that. Of the three big cities listed, I'd say Philly by far has the worst public system.

Of course if we're talking metro areas there are fine school systems in suburbs around all of these cities.
The irony, however, is that said public school system also contains the best public high school in Pennsylvania and one of the 50 best in the country:

Julia R. Masterman Laboratory* and Demonstration School | School District of Philadelphia

Getting into it, however, is difficult. It's marginally easier to get into the eighth-best public high school in Pennsylvaina, which is also the oldest public high school in the state and (within the city) is just as prestigious as the one above it:

Central High School | School District of Philadelphia

In researching this article, which I think I already linked upthread, but will spare you the search by linking it again here, I managed to find several parents, including one Black Hispanic one, who enrolled their kids in those "awful" neighborhood public schools and reported that they got good educations. (One of them, a white woman who planted the seed for this article in my head, even got her kid into that best high school in the state, most of whose students get in in the sixth grade.)

*I will, however, make this comment: The other city public high schools that aren't charters do deserve their low reputations, and the changes kids go through in their teenage years means that what I say about grade schools in that article doesn't apply. The reason for the asterisk, however, is: A "laboratory" is a place where experiments are conducted, and if they prove successful, others attempt to replicate them. Likewise, successful "demonstration" projects are supposed to be adopted more widely. The School District of Philadelphia has not done that with the Julia Reynolds Masterman Laboratory and Demonstration School, which is as old as I am (I'm 63).
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Old 07-13-2022, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Have not read this entire thread, but see that Philly is leading the poll. I seriously wonder though if anyone has considered the state of Philadelphia public schools. They are widely considered pretty bad, and that could be a big deterrent for a family considering living within the city limits. Many middle-class Black families leave cities like Philly (New York too) just because of that. Of the three big cities listed, I'd say Philly by far has the worst public system.

Of course if we're talking metro areas there are fine school systems in suburbs around all of these cities.
They're all bad. The big outlier with Philly is crime and blight not schools
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