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For middle class blacks that want to live around other middle class blacks, the best spots would be metro areas of DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NYC. Boston doesn't have a have middle class black population like the other major cities. Niether does the other smaller cities mentioned like Newark, Jersey City, Harrisburg, Wilmington, Allentown, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh etc, most of the black population in these cities are lower income. Providence in particular the black community is very dispersed and it's "blackest" nieghborhood (South Providence) is only like 30% black, so if the OP wants to live in a majority black area might as well sctrach Providence out. On the flip side, New England is alot safer than the lower parts of the Northeast (Mid-Atlantic).
For middle class blacks that want to live around other middle class blacks, the best spots would be metro areas of DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NYC. Boston doesn't have a have middle class black population like the other major cities. Niether does the other smaller cities mentioned like Newark, Jersey City, Harrisburg, Wilmington, Allentown, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh etc, most of the black population in these cities are lower income.
Not as big as the other cities, sure. But as I think has been mentioned on this thread before, there's at least one plurality black suburb (Randolph, 40%) where ~75% of black families make at least $60k per year. About 45% of black families in Randolph take home $100k or more. Source
And I don't know if Hartford deserves to be in that crowd. It has a few middle class black suburbs, no?
For middle class blacks that want to live around other middle class blacks, the best spots would be metro areas of DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NYC. Boston doesn't have a have middle class black population like the other major cities. Niether does the other smaller cities mentioned like Newark, Jersey City, Harrisburg, Wilmington, Allentown, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh etc, most of the black population in these cities are lower income. Providence in particular the black community is very dispersed and it's "blackest" nieghborhood (South Providence) is only like 30% black, so if the OP wants to live in a majority black area might as well sctrach Providence out. On the flip side, New England is alot safer than the lower parts of the Northeast (Mid-Atlantic).
As mentioned earlier in the thread, all of these cities have some degree of a black middle class, as most black people that live in said cities/areas aren't in poverty, even if the percentage may be higher.
Not as big as the other cities, sure. But as I think has been mentioned on this thread before, there's at least one plurality black suburb (Randolph, 40%) where ~75% of black families make at least $60k per year. About 45% of black families in Randolph take home $100k or more. Source
And I don't know if Hartford deserves to be in that crowd. It has a few middle class black suburbs, no?
Bloomfield and parts of Windsor are predominantly black and middle class.
Not as big as the other cities, sure. But as I think has been mentioned on this thread before, there's at least one plurality black suburb (Randolph, 40%) where ~75% of black families make at least $60k per year. About 45% of black families in Randolph take home $100k or more. Source
And I don't know if Hartford deserves to be in that crowd. It has a few middle class black suburbs, no?
Also, Boston doesn't have a black population as big as Philly or NYC either so of course the black middle class isn't as large.
Just thinking about the aspect of very black part of cities that still have a black middle class presence ala similar aspects like DC EOTR(as mentioned in other threads), there are areas such as SE Queens/much of Central, parts of South Brooklyn/NE, North Bronx in NYC; NW/adjacent parts of North and West Philadelphia; the Roxbury/Dorchester/Mattapan/Hyde Park/parts of Roslindale concentration in Boston; the North End/Blue Hills area of Hartford; the Weequahic/Clinton Hill/West Side/Vailsburg concentration in Newark; perhaps the Greenville section of Jersey City and likely portions of Harrisburg and Wilmington.
Some not on the list that come to mind are the East Side of Buffalo, from which east of Main Street/roughly north of-around Broadway(areas south of it just east of Downtown) and to the city line is probably about a third of the city's population and is about 80% black, give or take. Previously mentioned areas such as Hamlin Park, Kensington(/Bailey), University and the small portions of the Parkside and Central Park residential neighborhoods that are east of Main have a black middle class presence.
Rochester's SW Quadrant is probably about 70% black, give or take and includes the 19th Ward, which has some middle class folks in the Sibley Tract(near Wilson HS)/west of Thurston Road and around-south of Brooks Ave.
Pretty much the South Side/half of Mount Vernon NY is probably about 85% black, give or take, with middle class areas in the eastern portion like Vernon Heights/Parkside and Oakwood Heights.
I'll stop there, but there are others that likely have portions that are have high black percentages and a middle class presence within them.
Another area that comes to mind with a mix is the portion of Syracuse's East Side in between Erie Boulevard East to the north, East Genesee Street/Salt Springs Road to the south, east of Walnut Ave. to the city line is about 60-65% black with the eastern portion of the SFH streets being middle class. There's also the South Side from Adams Street south of Downtown all the way down to West Seneca Turnpike in the Valley section, going up to I-81 to the east and as west as West Onondaga/Onondaga Ave/a couple of blocks west of South Ave, where that area is about 70-% black and outer neighborhoods to the south/SW having a middle class presence.
It is similar for Albany, with the the Arbor Hill/West Hill/Sheridan Hollow/Ten Broeck Triangle/North Albany area north of Downtown being about 70%, with pockets around Tivoli Lake, Ten Broeck and North Albany; as well as the "greater" South End(Mansions/the Pastures/Second Ave., Krank Park/Cherry Hill and Mt. Hope) south of Downtown being about 60-65% or so, with a middle class presence in the outer neighborhoods(Second Ave. perhaps into Delaware Ave./Krank Park-Cherry Hill).
I wouldn't be surprised if New Haven, Bridgeport, Trenton and maybe a few others had similar types of areas.
there are a couple of others but, what are some neighborhood parks that come to mind for the cities listed or others in the region related to the thread?
For middle class blacks that want to live around other middle class blacks, the best spots would be metro areas of DC, Baltimore, Philly, and NYC. Boston doesn't have a have middle class black population like the other major cities. Niether does the other smaller cities mentioned like Newark, Jersey City, Harrisburg, Wilmington, Allentown, Providence, Hartford, Springfield, Rochester, Buffalo, Pittsburgh etc, most of the black population in these cities are lower income. Providence in particular the black community is very dispersed and it's "blackest" nieghborhood (South Providence) is only like 30% black, so if the OP wants to live in a majority black area might as well sctrach Providence out. On the flip side, New England is alot safer than the lower parts of the Northeast (Mid-Atlantic).
Boston's Black population is much more middle class than Philly or Baltimore, and its incomes are on par with DC and NYC. that's just factually totally inaccurate. Weve parsed that data out extensively in a few threads. TBH I'm not sure where that myth comes from. But today more than ever there is a pretty notable Black Middle Class in Boston and in the suburbs south of the city. For its size, it absolutely does not lack that.
It's a much more refined/posh black community than Newark Hartford, or Providence. Springfield Rochester does have black middle-class populations that are notable.
In terms of the built environment, it probably has the nicest and most intact black neighborhoods on average outside of Washington DC.
This is a big oversight IMO
Of all these cities its the only one that has less poverty in its black population than in its Latino and Asian community.
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Boston's Black population is much more middle class than Philly or Baltimore, and its incomes are on par with DC and NYC. that's just factually totally inaccurate. TBH I'm not sure where that myth comes from.
In terms of built environment, it probably has the nicest and most intact black neighborhoods on average outside of Washington DC.
Of all these cities its the only one that has less poverty in its black population than in its Latino and Asian community.
NYC also did until recently, when the Asian percentage decreased not too long ago. NYC's black poverty rate is slightly lower than that of Boston(20.5% versus 21.2%).
On a side note, another feather in the cap for Middletown NY is that its black poverty rate is 2.4% lower than its white poverty rate(2.1% compared to white non Hispanics)(2018 info): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2018.S1701 (Correction, it is now higher according to 2020 information, but is still below the national black percentage(17.4% currently for the city): https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table...ST5Y2020.S1701 )
NYC also did until recently, when the Asian percentage decreased not too long ago. NYC's black poverty rate is slightly lower than that of Boston(20.5% versus 21.2%).
Right so like I said its on par with NYC and DC. It actually has a higher median income than DC itself. Its also the metro with the 2nd highest Black Median Housheold income after DC at elats it was accoridng to Brooking in 2018.
No not only is the MA SJC Chief Justice Balck, the AG to be Andrea Campbell is (she won the Dem. Primary), the Suffolk DA is too, and the head of the Boston Foundation, Simmons College, and Boston Childrens Hospital are also all black.. as is the head of the Boston Police and the Chief Economic Development officer
Looking at middle-class jobs- often city jobs. 31.3% of all people employed by the City of Boston are Black. as are 21.2% of those making over 100,000 per year.
Got to most black neighborhoods in Boston and they give off a lower middle-class urban vibe. That's the dominant vibe with stand alone two family homes, some triple deckers and some SFHs. Some decent parks and clean streets. And then in the suburbs (where most back in the area live) its definitly mostly middle-class blacks. Also its home to the largest black-owned bank in the nation. They also outperform black student in every city and state mentioned here. That’s on an elementary high school and post secondary level.
It's honestly a total mystery to me why people say Boston doesn't have a black middle class. You can literally walk around and see that is not true. I’m aware people don’t know much about us but that perception seems at odds with how people say the city is so neurotic educated and safe even in bad areas. They’ll even oversell that but then turn around and say it’s only ghetto in black areas? But then bemoan the price? I just don’t get it.
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