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Here is an event that took place recently in an area with business districts in Rochester NY that features many black owned businesses and a neighborhood with some predominantly black, middle class areas.
For those open to the charter school route: https://www.goodschoolsroc.org/
RCSD high school options like Wilson, School of the Arts, World of Inquiry/School 58, Middle College International, East and Monroe, are some schools with good programs or are higher performing.
For private schools, Aquinas in the NW Quadrant, Northstar Christian in Gates and Bishop Kearney in Irondequoit are a few that have substantial black student enrollments at about 20-25%.
There is also the Urban-Suburban program, which allows some Rochester kids to attend select suburban schools(like METCO in MA): https://www.monroe.edu/us https://www.monroe.edu/domain/121
So, for those that are looking for a city neighborhood with a visible black middle class, park space, a black owned business base, walkability, etc.; this may be an underrated option within the Northeast.
A correction in terms of the bolded, as after looking at 14619 and block groups/blocks just outside of the zip code within the neighborhood boundaries, it is more like 70-75% in totality.
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Ive always had this vision of Allentown, PA being the middle-class black hub for northeast people. Know several new york city families who moved there and from a NYC/NJ perspective it seems to be a popular choice for those who do not want go down south or go to Philly.
Is there a northeast alternative for Boston middle class blacks who do not want to live in either Boston or the south?
Ive always had this vision of Allentown, PA being the middle-class black hub for northeast people. Know several new york city families who moved there and from a NYC/NJ perspective it seems to be a popular choice for those who do not want go down south or go to Philly.
Is there a northeast alternative for Boston middle class blacks who do not want to live in either Boston or the south?
Wish Allentown has a commuter rail to NYC.
Not sure about Boston(probably Worcester or Providence), but I’d also say for middle class black people moving out the NYC metro, but staying in the Northeast, the mid-Hudson Valley/Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown area seems to be a big choice(if not bigger). I say that because that metro area has one of the highest black median household incomes in the country for top 100 metro areas in population. I think only like 3 metros have a higher black median household income in that regard and black people live throughout that area as well(actually one of the most integrated metros for black people in terms of top 100 metros). It also has one of the smallest black-white per capita income gaps in the country and the highest on the list with a metro population that is at least 10%, according to the American City Business Journals about a decade back. It isn’t uncommon for places in the area to have 6 figure black median household incomes and this is for places with at least a substantial black population(10% or higher).
Plus, it does have commuter rail into NYC, which means that it is likely a more viable option in terms of keeping NYC pay, but having a lower COL.
There is representation in the area from the school superintendents of the Cornwall and Washingtonville SDs being black men, the mayor of Newburgh and council members in Poughkeepsie/Beacon/town of Highlands, etc. or that the black graduation rate at Middletown High being the highest of all groups in the diverse high school in recent history, among other things.
This is why I say that it may be a sleeper area not just in the region, but in general.
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Ive always had this vision of Allentown, PA being the middle-class black hub for northeast people. Know several new york city families who moved there and from a NYC/NJ perspective it seems to be a popular choice for those who do not want go down south or go to Philly.
Is there a northeast alternative for Boston middle class blacks who do not want to live in either Boston or the south?
Wish Allentown has a commuter rail to NYC.
Why Allentown and not Long Island/NJ? Those two areas get much more out migration from NYC and have larger black populations and proximity to the city.
Not sure about Boston(probably Worcester or Providence), but I’d also say for middle class black people moving out the NYC metro, but staying in the Northeast, the mid-Hudson Valley/Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown area seems to be a big choice(if not bigger). I say that because that metro area has one of the highest black median household incomes in the country for top 100 metro areas in population. I think only like 3 metros have a higher black median household income in that regard and black people live throughout that area as well(actually one of the most integrated metros for black people in terms of top 100 metros). It also has one of the smallest black-white per capita income gaps in the country and the highest on the list with a metro population that is at least 10%, according to the American City Business Journals about a decade back. It isn’t uncommon for places in the area to have 6 figure black median household incomes and this is for places with at least a substantial black population(10% or higher).
Plus, it does have commuter rail into NYC, which means that it is likely a more viable option in terms of keeping NYC pay, but having a lower COL.
There is representation in the area from the school superintendents of the Cornwall and Washingtonville SDs being black men, the mayor of Newburgh and council members in Poughkeepsie/Beacon/town of Highlands, etc. or that the black graduation rate at Middletown High being the highest of all groups in the diverse high school in recent history, among other things.
This is why I say that it may be a sleeper area not just in the region, but in general.
The Port Jervis/orange line serves the Orange County(Middletown/Newburgh) portion of the area, while the Dutchess County(Poughkeepsie/Beacon) portion is served by the Hudson/green line and Harlem/blue line.
You also get some people in Ulster County(Kingston/New Paltz, etc.) that may cross into Poughkeepsie or from Newburgh into Beacon to take the Hudson Line as well.
Some likely move into CT and take the New Haven line into NYC as well.
Why Allentown and not Long Island/NJ? Those two areas get much more out migration from NYC and have larger black populations and proximity to the city.
Affordability would probably be the main reason. It is an area that has seen growth in its black population and a lot of it has been in the cities in the metro area: https://s4.ad.brown.edu/projects/div...?metroid=10900
Not sure about Boston(probably Worcester or Providence), but I’d also say for middle class black people moving out the NYC metro, but staying in the Northeast, the mid-Hudson Valley/Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown area seems to be a big choice(if not bigger). I say that because that metro area has one of the highest black median household incomes in the country for top 100 metro areas in population. I think only like 3 metros have a higher black median household income in that regard and black people live throughout that area as well(actually one of the most integrated metros for black people in terms of top 100 metros). It also has one of the smallest black-white per capita income gaps in the country and the highest on the list with a metro population that is at least 10%, according to the American City Business Journals about a decade back. It isn’t uncommon for places in the area to have 6 figure black median household incomes and this is for places with at least a substantial black population(10% or higher).
Plus, it does have commuter rail into NYC, which means that it is likely a more viable option in terms of keeping NYC pay, but having a lower COL.
There is representation in the area from the school superintendents of the Cornwall and Washingtonville SDs being black men, the mayor of Newburgh and council members in Poughkeepsie/Beacon/town of Highlands, etc. or that the black graduation rate at Middletown High being the highest of all groups in the diverse high school in recent history, among other things.
This is why I say that it may be a sleeper area not just in the region, but in general.
Oh snap you are right about Middletown.
I knew a lot of middle class West African people who moved there from the Bronx
I knew a lot of middle class West African people who moved there from the Bronx
Yes, it is attaching black people from the diaspora there, including Haitians, Afro-Latinos and African Americans. It does seem like in relation to the thread, people from the Bronx are more likely to move Upstate/Hudson Valley.
Another thing that happens is if someone only has to be in the office once or twice a week, they will live in a place like Hudson, which has an Amtrak station. Here is an article with a diverse group of NYC migrants to the city and long time residents, including a Columbia University professor of Jamaican descent that mentions how the city has a Caribbean market, along with long time residents that are in law enforcement and runs a black owned barbershop: https://www.timesunion.com/hudsonval...54%20in%202020.
Hudson's current mayor is a black native and the city of about 5900 is about 20% black, give or take. It has become popular with some higher income NYC residents and has been doing a balancing act in terms of housing. It is also known for the architecture on Warren Street and its antique scene. https://visithudsonny.com/ https://www.vogue.com/article/why-a-...tter-than-ever
Tanisha Sullivan, president of the Boston NAACP, said the nation’s oldest civil rights organization will be able make the events accessible to all because of a $2 million earmark that state Rep. Russell Holmes of Mattapan placed in the state budget.
During a community meeting at the Bolling Building in Nubian Square on June 5, Sullivan laid out plans to engage local residents, particularly the Black community, in the long-delayed convention. About 5,000 delegates, observers, students and others are expected to attend.
About 100 people attended the recent community meeting, nearly filling the second-floor meeting room of the Boston School Committee. A recurrent question was how local Black businesses would benefit from the presence of visitors.
Mukiya Baker-Gomez, a former director of the Massachusetts State Office of Minority and Women Business Assistance (SOMWBA), raised the issue in the first question from the floor.
“Where are we at in terms of promoting Black Boston, in terms of this convention? And I just want to say I’m absolutely disappointed, because when I went on the national website, I didn’t see anything flagging Black Boston,” she said. “I know we have Roxbury Heritage State Park right up the street. They could put together a wonderful tour. We have a group of Black-owned barbershops and beauty shops in our community that are willing to serve the conventioneers. We have Black restaurants that are in our community.”
(Baker-Gomez died suddenly on June 10.)
Linda Dorcena Forry, a former state senator who is directing local operations for the convention, said Black businesses could gain access to out-of-town buyers at the Saturday marketplace.
“We have a chance to showcase Boston, and we know around the country people say stuff about Boston,” Forry said. “We want to make sure our Black businesses have access.”
Ed Harris of Cambridge, a member of the NAACP’s national security team, was more explicit about how Black people around the country often view Boston.
“A lot has been said about Boston and how racist it is and that Black folks don’t exist and that Black folks aren’t here — but we’re here, putting it together, getting it together, and we’re going to let them know that we’re thriving together,” Harris said. “That’s the purpose of this convention this year.”
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