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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-19-2023, 11:52 AM
 
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None. They're all too expensive for middle class families, and most are too crowded. For example, I'd rather have a YARD for my kids to play in and not have to have 2 or 3 of them share a bedroom, just to be able to say we live in New York City (or where ever). That's why you see so many black middle class families leaving the Northeast in a reverse migration (and no, I'm not going to get into any stat-pissing back and forths about that. It's been happening for a minute now, and we all know it).
After reading this, what are some neighborhoods in the region in terms of bolded portion would fit the description? In spite of a recent list, the Mountainview/Salt Springs area of Syracuse is a predominantly Black, middle class neighborhood that offers this to at least some degree, along with a city park: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0511...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0517...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0528...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0493...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0483...8192?entry=ttu

Same/similar for parts of Rochester's 19th Ward: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1380...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1404...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1399...8192?entry=ttu

and Parts of Buffalo's Kensington neighborhood: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9451...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9457...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9438...6656?entry=ttu

Any others come to mind?

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Old 09-19-2023, 07:56 PM
 
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Providence is... unique

Providence RI comes in at just 7.7% Black in the latest reports- if youve spent time in Providence you can probably tell- that s not accurate.

But it all make sense when you look at Black including combined with other races and Latino.

I that definition Providence is 17.7% Black. This is mostly due to the dominance of Cape Verdeans (who are of mixed race but not any time in the last 50/60 years) and Dominicans. I have noticed, Cape Verdeans in particular more and more of the ones in Southern New England are less and less visibly mixed, darker and darker skinned from what I remember as a kid. So it is surprising so many check mixed race but Its an uptick i notice in the 2020 census, they began to get more involved in your racial background promoting fewer Latinos to identify as white only and fewer cape Verdeans to identify as black only.
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Old 09-20-2023, 07:47 AM
 
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Providence is... unique

Providence RI comes in at just 7.7% Black in the latest reports- if youve spent time in Providence you can probably tell- that s not accurate.

But it all make sense when you look at Black including combined with other races and Latino.

I that definition Providence is 17.7% Black. This is mostly due to the dominance of Cape Verdeans (who are of mixed race but not any time in the last 50/60 years) and Dominicans. I have noticed, Cape Verdeans in particular more and more of the ones in Southern New England are less and less visibly mixed, darker and darker skinned from what I remember as a kid. So it is surprising so many check mixed race but Its an uptick i notice in the 2020 census, they began to get more involved in your racial background promoting fewer Latinos to identify as white only and fewer cape Verdeans to identify as black only.
When I was there, it felt like the bolded on the ground. Newport also had a visible population on the ground as well.
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Old 09-20-2023, 11:09 AM
 
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After reading this, what are some neighborhoods in the region in terms of bolded portion would fit the description? In spite of a recent list, the Mountainview/Salt Springs area of Syracuse is a predominantly Black, middle class neighborhood that offers this to at least some degree, along with a city park: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0511...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0517...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0528...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0493...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0483...8192?entry=ttu

Same/similar for parts of Rochester's 19th Ward: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1380...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1404...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1399...8192?entry=ttu

and Parts of Buffalo's Kensington neighborhood: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9451...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9457...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9438...6656?entry=ttu

Any others come to mind?
Kinda getting redundant listing the same neighborhoods over and over. Switch it up I'll share "The Black Side" of typically perceived white areas.

East Falls https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0120...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0118...8192?entry=ttu

Roxborough

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0508...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0397...8192?entry=ttu

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0404...8192?entry=ttu



Fox Chase

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0707...8192?entry=ttu
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Old 09-20-2023, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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When I was there, it felt like the bolded on the ground. Newport also had a visible population on the ground as well.
It's funny because I spoke with another poster here offline who had been to Newport- they said they didn't see a visible population in Newport. I do know some Black Newport natives, and most recently met her in Bridgeport.

Providence is very clearly more 18% black .... not 8%. Which is why is prefer more inclusive measures.

Brockton is another example. Shows as 36% Black Hispanic mixed. That rises to 54.4% in the inclusive measure. In the school's system, this is reflected in a system that is 59-60% black.
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Old 09-20-2023, 02:34 PM
 
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I'm glad you said this, as I was trying to see if there were some others not mentioned that at least have a "decent/substantial/good sized" black population. To not be ironic/hypocritical on my end, some of those and perhaps lesser mentioned areas I can think of are, the northern portion of the Strathmore neighborhood: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0303...8192?entry=ttu

South Valley: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9917...8192?entry=ttu

and the East Genesee Parkway portion of the Meadowbrook neighborhood in Syracuse: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0425...8192?entry=ttu

Bellevue Park, Harrisburg: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2652...8192?entry=ttu

Hiltonia, Trenton NJ: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2404...8192?entry=ttu

Blackridge, between Wilkinsburg/Churchill/Penn Hills PA outside of Pittsburgh: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4499...6656?entry=ttu

Garden City, Monroeville outside of Pittsburgh: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4441...6656?entry=ttu

Cleveland Hill, Cheektowaga just outside of Buffalo: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9362...6656?entry=ttu

Pine Hill, Cheektowaga: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9158...8192?entry=ttu

McKnight, Springfield MA: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1165...8192?entry=ttu

Edgemont in Susquehanna Township outside of Harrisburg: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2832...8192?entry=ttu

Homestead Heights in Rochester: https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1733...8192?entry=ttu
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Old 09-20-2023, 02:35 PM
 
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It's funny because I spoke with another poster here offline who had been to Newport- they said they didn't see a visible population in Newport. I do know some Black Newport natives, and most recently met her in Bridgeport.

Providence is very clearly more 18% black .... not 8%. Which is why is prefer more inclusive measures.

Brockton is another example. Shows as 36% Black Hispanic mixed. That rises to 54.4% in the inclusive measure. In the school's system, this is reflected in a system that is 59-60% black.
Yes, this seems to be more in line with what one would see when they are in these places versus the more "strict" information.
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Old 09-22-2023, 01:09 PM
 
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For those looking to visit the Finger Lakes or Lake Ontario, this is a black owned lodging option in the area: https://www.maxamhotels.com/treehouses-2
More information: https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/...ning-in-sodus/
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/ro...p-in-the-trees

Sodus is a small town in between Syracuse and Rochester that is about 10% black(about 15-20% in the village) and one of the owners is from Lyons, which is an adjacent town that is also about 10% black. It would be a good choice for those looking to go to wineries, del Lago Casino, the outlet mall, check out historical sites(Harriet Tubman Home in Auburn, Women's Hall of Fame in Seneca falls, etc.) and some of the quaint communities in the area as well.

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Old 09-22-2023, 03:45 PM
 
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For those looking to visit the Finger Lakes or Lake Ontario, this is a black owned lodging option in the area: https://www.maxamhotels.com/treehouses-2
More information: https://www.rochesterfirst.com/news/...ning-in-sodus/
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/ro...p-in-the-trees

Sodus is a small town in between Syracuse and Rochester that is about 10% black(about 15-20% in the village) and one of the owners is from Lyons, which is an adjacent town that is also about 10% black. It would be a good choice for those looking to go to wineries, del Lago Casino, the outlet mall, check out historical sites(Harriet Tubman Home in Auburn, Women's Hall of Fame in Seneca falls, etc.) and some of the quaint communities in the area as well.
They also make a Heluva Good Cheddar there.
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Old 09-23-2023, 07:05 AM
 
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They also make a Heluva Good Cheddar there.
Yes, it used to be produced there until 8 years ago, but there is a big food production industry in that area. Motts and Baldwin-Richardson have facilities in nearby Williamson and Seneca Foods in nearby Marion. It plays a part as to why there is black population there, as many migrated to the area for farm work from Down South and some stayed in the area to work into those facilities/other industries.
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