Which Northeast city would be best for a black middle class family? (beach, pronunciation)
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Look at the history of New York City compared to other places blacks have settled. There are way more outside cultural influences there throughout history. What other cities got the influx of immigrants NYC did… besides maybe Cali? It’s just a different flare of black folks there. I will say New York did have there pockets of what I call “old school” black communities, but they have fled back down south to places like Charlotte and Atlanta. I don’t see how this is controversial unless you haven’t been to NYC and other places to compare them. There is definitely a difference culturally.
Of course, but that doesn’t diminish the history or presence there, then or now. What you really should say is African American with Southern roots. Many are still in NYC, but again, it is complex because you can have some people that are AA and another black ethnicity.
As mentioned before, many that leave just go to the suburbs or other parts of the state/Northeast as well.
I think the Soul Food aspect may also be about what people will eat. Meaning, many may not like pork dishes, for instance.
To touch on the bolded aspect, something to possibly consider, but may have to be grouped with flexibility in other areas is that the 8 most population dense incorporated municipalities that are predominantly black are in the Northeast. In order of density(2010 census data), they are Irvington NJ(18th nationally), East Orange NJ(25th), South Floral Park NY(32nd), Mount Vernon NY(33rd), Orange NJ(39th), Darby PA(61th), East Lansdowne PA(63rd) and Newark NJ(89th). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...lation_density
Some other places that were predominantly black at the time or were very close also in the Northeast were Hempstead NY, Asbury Park NJ and Trenton NJ. Philadelphia is pluralistically more black than anything else as well. Those listed above still are predominantly black according to recent census data.
The rest are in SD's of the same name as the municipality.
In terms of population, after Newark; it is Mount Vernon, East Orange and Irvington. Those 3 have in between 50-70,000 people. I know for Mount Vernon, its northern half and eastern third of its southern half are generally at least middle class. Schools appear to be good at the elementary level in those areas, but for high school some go private or a better program like this school: https://data.nysed.gov/profile.php?instid=800000060408 https://data.nysed.gov/enrollment.ph...d=800000060408
are a couple that could appeal to said families. Same in regards to the Vernon Heights/Vernon Park area in the SE corner of the city(another predominantly black, generally middle class area): https://goo.gl/maps/SM8gmhvTfafGe4A68
Of course, but that doesn’t diminish the history or presence there, then or now. What you really should say is African American with Southern roots. Many are still in NYC, but again, it is complex because you can have some people that are AA and another black ethnicity.
As mentioned before, many that leave just go to the suburbs or other parts of the state/Northeast as well.
I think the Soul Food aspect may also be about what people will eat. Meaning, many may not like pork dishes, for instance.
No one saying is saying NY doesn’t have any black culture, but it is unique and not repsentative of the city like Philly’s.
And there is no need to splice away black from southern, they are one in the same. When black people migrated from the south to the urban hoods of the north. They didn’t assimilate, they retained their culture and mostly live clustered. This is why you hear only slight variance between black folks Chicago and the south. It’s why the black classic film soul food was based in Chicago. It has strong black culture in a way that current NYC doesn’t. If you see my earlier post, I explain African American informs what we consider “black” as that is the base black community in the states.
None of this is controversial. Philly fits the bill for black better than NYC.
These accents aren’t accidents. They are an interesting study.
NYC is different, the mishmash of cultures that influence black New Yorkers diffeeentiate them. Philly doesn’t sound a southern as black chicago, but they are much closer to it than NYC.
No one saying is saying NY doesn’t have any black culture, but it is unique and not repsentative of the city like Philly’s.
And there is no need to splice away black from southern, they are one in the same. When black people migrated from the south to the urban hoods of the north. They didn’t assimilate, they retained their culture and mostly live clustered. This is why you hear only slight variance between black folks Chicago and the south. It’s why the black classic film soul food was based in Chicago. It has strong black culture in a way that current NYC doesn’t. If you see my earlier post, I explain African American informs what we consider “black” as that is the base black community in the states.
None of this is controversial. Philly fits the bill for black better than NYC.
These accents aren’t accidents. They are an interesting study.
NYC is different, the mishmash of cultures that influence black New Yorkers diffeeentiate them. Philly doesn’t sound a southern as black chicago, but they are much closer to it than NYC.
Agree to disagree on the bolded. I think when it comes to African American blacks, were much more culturally similar to NYC African Americans than Chicago’s. I’d love to expand on it but I think it’d be completely off topic.
Agree to disagree on the bolded. I think when it comes to African American blacks, were much more culturally similar to NYC African Americans than Chicago’s. I’d love to expand on it but I think it’d be completely off topic.
How blk Chicago still retains its Mississippi and Alabama traditions to this day. It’s not off topic, it’s helping clean up what we mean by “black culture”. Chicago is a great example of a northern city where see almost little to non influence on the black ppl that fled their from there south several decades ago. That is in sharp contrast to a place like NYC, Philly is somwhere in the middle.
NYC's black population use to be just as "southern" in retention for years but was diluted with the amount of West Indians that moved to the area. Heck, if you listened to an interview with Disco King Mario and you'd hear it.
I can't speak for Boston, but Philadelphia's media doesn't have an obsession with putting NYC down any chance it gets.
Whenever Philadelphia is bought up, it's the same old tired tropes of fans throwing snowballs at santa, a player getting pegged with batteries, how rough and gritty the city is, and of course-- Kensington and the opioid crisis and the MOVE bombing. None of these topics paint a positive picture to any black/African American outsider, and it's done on purpose.
And let's not act like NYC media doesn't do the same with Boston- bringing up 40+ year old incidents (as if America as a whole wasn't racist then) to depict it as some retrograde, sundown town that black people must avoid at all cost.
Am I suppose to fall for your over exaggerations?
Philly and it’s people are literally dragged by everyone. Literally right now Philly was dragged to the floor by everyone outside of NY when Westbrook had popcorn thrown at him at an NBA game. The irony of you trying to speak for Boston when Boston also dragged Philly and its people after the Eagles victory. Yea we don’t do this fake stuff in NY.
You are trying to paint a Picture that Philly are dragged by New Yorkers and Northern NJ folks but anyone that has a clue about various topics in the world knows that Philly catches strays from everyone.
As for me I have family in Philly and like it because of its resemblance to parts of NY but if you go to any black forum Philly is usually pre judged by everyone and those black folks doing the judging ain’t New Yorkers.
NYC's black population use to be just as "southern" in retention for years but was diluted with the amount of West Indians that moved to the area. Heck, if you listened to an interview with Disco King Mario and you'd hear it.
The issue with this post is that not every African American community in NYC had to deal with West Indians moving in.
This is why I bet $1,000 that the other poster didn’t know what diluted meant lol.
You’re upset that someone prefers Philadelphia over NYC because of its more noticeable African American culture. New Yorkers and the NY media hate when we’re given our due diligence.
Why would I be upset about someone’s opinion when in reality I know more African American transplants prefer NYC?
Are you a child? Lol
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