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View Poll Results: Which NE City would work best for middle class black Family?
New York City 49 14.37%
Philadelphia 176 51.61%
Boston 36 10.56%
Providence 10 2.93%
Harrisburg 11 3.23%
Newark 21 6.16%
Wilmington 20 5.87%
Jersey City 18 5.28%
Voters: 341. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-18-2021, 10:19 AM
 
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Some places in both metro that may have appeal in terms of the topic and that have grown in terms of black population.

Boston area

Stoughton: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-2502167945/

Randolph: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...s/160-2556000/

Avon: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-2502102935/

Holbrook: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-2502130455/

Brockton: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...s/160-2509000/

Canton: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-2502111315/

Norwood: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-2502150250/

There are others, but I'll stop there. All of these communities touch to the SE of the city, by the way.

Buffalo area

Eggertsville(CDP): https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...k/160-3623701/
It is in the town of Amherst's SE corner next to the city(as mentioned in another post): https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-3602902000/

Cheektowaga(CDP): https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...k/160-3615000/
It is in the town of the same name: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-3602915011/ (its NW corner is comprised of the Cleveland Hill neighborhood/SD, which has some middle class highly/predominantly black census block groups next to the city of Buffalo as well. It actually touches Eggertsville (CDP). There is a decent amount in the NE portion of the town covered by the Maryvale SD as well. Cheektowaga Central and Cleveland Hill SD’s are about 30% or so in terms of black student enrollment. Cheektowaga-Sloan is another SD in the town. Some kids in the town may go to West Seneca, Depew and Lancaster Schools as well.)

Kenmore: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...k/160-3639232/ (a dense, walkable community in the top 100 most dense municipalities in the country. the portion of the Kenmore-Tonawanda SD zoned for Kenmore West S has more than the zone for East HS) Town it is surrounded by: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-3602975000/

Again, I'll stop there, but some other communities saw an increase in black population as well(Lockport, a small city in Niagara County with solid schools and a long time black population is an example).
In terms of the bolded sentence, here is some information...

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9459...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
Block group: https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oup-3-erie-ny/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9487...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oup-2-erie-ny/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9469...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oup-1-erie-ny/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9432...6!9m2!1b1!2i37
https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...oup-3-erie-ny/
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Old 11-19-2021, 07:48 AM
 
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Given this list that Mutiny77 posted in the Mecca thread, it looks like in terms of black population growth in the region’s bigger metros, Boston and Buffalo are the top 2 in terms of growth percentage. New Haven is next in growth percentage for metros in the region with at least 100k black residents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...an_populations
Here are some places in that area that saw an increase in black residents during the past decade.

Hamden: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-0900935650/

West Haven: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-0900982870/

East Haven: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-0900922910/

Meriden: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-0900946520/

Waterbury: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...t/160-0980000/

Ansonia: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...t/160-0901150/

Derby: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...t/160-0919480/

Milford: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-0900947535/

Naugatuck: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...60-0900949950/

I'll stop there, but there are others with gains to some degree.
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Old 11-21-2021, 08:38 PM
 
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Given this list that Mutiny77 posted in the Mecca thread, it looks like in terms of black population growth in the region’s bigger metros, Boston and Buffalo are the top 2 in terms of growth percentage. New Haven is next in growth percentage for metros in the region with at least 100k black residents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...an_populations
Some other metros in the region not on that list that grew in black population by percentage are:

Syracuse: 11.4%

Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown: 15.8%

Albany-Schenectady-Troy: 14%

Harrisburg: 10.5%

Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton: 31.3%(?)

Providence: 12.6%

Worcester: 44.1%

Springfield: 2.1%

Scranton-Wilkes Barre: 51.3%

All of these metro area are roughly on the top 100 in population nationally as well.

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Old 11-22-2021, 06:41 AM
 
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Some other metros in the region not on that list that grew in black population by percentage are:

Syracuse: 11.4%

Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown: 15.8%

Albany-Schenectady-Troy: 14%

Harrisburg: 10.5%

Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton: 31.3%(?)

Providence: 12.6%

Worcester: 44.1%

Springfield: 2.1%

Scranton-Wilkes Barre: 51.3%

All of these metro area are roughly on the top 100 in population nationally as well.
I'll still don't see the reason to moving to any of these places when there's so many affordable and safe suburbs for Philadelphia. Wilkes Barre and to a lesser degree, Allentown, are seeing a lot of black Philadelphian's moving in, and neither are that appealing to me. Why move all the way to the boondocks when you can live in Yeadon and still be within reasonable commute to the city.
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Old 11-22-2021, 08:50 AM
 
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I'll still don't see the reason to moving to any of these places when there's so many affordable and safe suburbs for Philadelphia. Wilkes Barre and to a lesser degree, Allentown, are seeing a lot of black Philadelphian's moving in, and neither are that appealing to me. Why move all the way to the boondocks when you can live in Yeadon and still be within reasonable commute to the city.
The thing is that Philadelphia is more affordable for a major metro area, but these areas are just affordable in general or even compared to much of the South. That may be the difference and you can still get a suburb just as safe with, dare I say relatively better schools than say Yeadon's, at a lower price. Some may live within the cities and they are urban enough and big enough for some to move to.

A lot of growth in NE PA comes from NYC as well. It actually may be closer or roughly the same in terms of distance as Philadelphia in some parts. Some may work in NYC/NJ, if they don't work in those immediate areas. Keep in mind that the Allentown area includes a county in NJ(Warren County, Phillipsburg is its biggest community and across the river from Easton, big HS football rivalry between the 2 on Thanksgiving).

I would say that out of the list, I can see why Worcester has a lot of growth, as it is still within easy reach of Boston and is big enough in terms of having its own scene(s). Scranton/Wilkes-Barre is just really gaining traction in terms of black population growth, but Wilkes Barre has been getting NJ/NYC folks for a while(at least a 3 or 4 decades). So, that area just has nowhere else to go, but up in terms of growth. Wilkes-Barre's black population grew by 51.5% within the city proper: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...a/160-4285152/

Scranton's black population grew by 48.4% in the city proper: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com...a/160-4269000/

What is interesting for all of these areas is that the growth isn't just to the city proper, but to the suburbs(or even small towns) as well and if not at a higher growth rate for the latter. You can see this at this source that I used to help figure out those percentages: https://data.burlingtonfreepress.com/census/
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Old 11-22-2021, 09:14 AM
 
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Yea i wouldn't move to NE PA either. I know black and Hispanic people who are out there but they always seem kinda down and out or don't have their lives together. They always seem to be in their car or hanging out in Philly or NYC. Seems stressful.

Id much rather live in Connecticut or even Rhode Island. Let alone Philly Boston or NYC all preferable for me as an individual. Philly I still don't think is great for a family but the suburbs are suitable- more suitable than NEPA.
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Old 11-22-2021, 09:38 AM
 
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Yea i wouldn't move to NE PA either. I know black and Hispanic people who are out there but they always seem kinda down and out or don't have their lives together. They always seem to be in their car or hanging out in Philly or NYC. Seems stressful.

Id much rather live in Connecticut or even Rhode Island. Let alone Philly Boston or NYC all preferable for me as an individual. Philly I still don't think is great for a family but the suburbs are suitable- more suitable than NEPA.
I think it depends on where you are in that region. I mentioned earlier in the thread how the Stroudsburg area(aka Monroe County PA), does have a generally middle class black median household income($69,733 according to 2019 5 year census data) and a black poverty rate of 11.3%, which is just over the national overall percentage. So, it could be a matter of where you are in NE PA.
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2021-2022 Demographics of the Public Schools in these towns + Taunton and Milton

Stoughton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 24.9%
Asian 6.2%
Hispanic 15.4 %
White 46.7%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 6.1%

Randolph: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 50.1%
Asian 17.3%
Hispanic 16.1%
White 11.5%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 4.6%


Avon: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&
African American 31.2%
Asian 4.6%
Hispanic 12.0%
White 43.9%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 7.7%

Holbrook: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 22.7%
Asian 6.1%
Hispanic 15.2%
White 47.3%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 8.3%

Brockton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 59.5%
Asian 1.8%
Hispanic 19.2%
White 14.4%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 4.7%

Canton
: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 11.3%
Asian 11.1%
Hispanic 6.8%
White 63.8%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 6.7%

Norwood:https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 12.2%
Asian 7.7%
Hispanic 17.7%
White 58.6%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 3.0%

Milton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 13.2%
Asian 7.9%
Hispanic 5.6%
White 67.4%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 5.7%

Taunton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 20.9%
Asian 1.0%
Hispanic 14.0%
White 57.6%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 5.9%

This is a contiguous area directly south of Boston, it's all along Route 28/Route 24 and southwestward down Washington Street. save for Taunton which is a bit more detached.

Other districts south of Boston with a notable % of Black Students include:

Bridgewater-Raynham-8.9%, Quincy 7.9%, Weymouth 7.8%, Attleboro 7.8%, Dedham 7.3%, Easton 7.0%, and Foxborough 7.0%

Boston (excluding in-district Charter Schools-which are much blacker): https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 29.0%
Asian 8.9%
Hispanic 43.0%
White 15.2% (up from the all-time low of 12.3% my senior year of HS, 2012)
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 3.5%

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Some other metros in the region not on that list that grew in black population by percentage are:

Syracuse: 11.4%

Poughkeepsie-Newburgh-Middletown: 15.8%

Albany-Schenectady-Troy: 14%

Harrisburg: 10.5%

Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton: 31.3%(?)

Providence: 12.6%

Worcester: 44.1%

Springfield: 2.1%

Scranton-Wilkes Barre: 51.3%

All of these metro areas are roughly in the top 100 in population nationally as well.
Some smaller areas in the region with growth in terms of black population...

Lancaster: 17.6% (102nd in metro population nationally)

Portland: 80.2% (104th in population)

York: 15% (121st)

Reading: 9.2% (127th)

Manchester-Nashua: 31.9% (128th)

Trenton: .9% (141st)

Utica-Rome: 10.1% (169th)

Erie: 2.1% (181st)

Norwich-New London: grew by 1 person (185th)

Binghamton: 31.5% (193rd)

Barnstable(aka Cape Cod): 62.6% (201st)

Burlington-South Burlington: 49% (204th)

Kingston: .7% (234th)

East Stroudsburg: 11.4% (256th)

State College: 18.1% (266th)

Chambersburg: 13.6% (270th)

Bangor: 30% (279th)

Lebanon: 12.1% (292nd)

Johnstown: 11.6% (309th)

Pittsfield: 20.3% (314th)

Glens Falls: grew by 31 people/.12% (316th)

Altoona: 19% (324th)

Watertown-Fort Drum: 14.2% (335th)

Williamsport: 12.1% (339th)

Lewiston-Auburn: 66.1% (344th)

Ithaca: 14.4% (347th)

Those that declined in black population...

Bloomsburg-Berwick: -17.2% (375th)

Elmira: -8.8% (372nd)

Ocean City: -21.9% (364th)

Gettysburg: lost 2 people (352nd)

Vineland-Milltown-Bridgeton: - 10% (276th)

Atlantic City: -5.9% (180th)

NYC is the only other metro area in the region to decline in black alone population(which is used in this case).

Most of these metros are 1 county metros, with some having 2 or 3 counties.

Areas 1-10, 13 and 14 have at least 10,000 black residents in the metro area. Same for the last 2 areas in the declining list.
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2021-2022 Demographics of the Public Schools in these towns + Taunton and Milton

Stoughton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 24.9%
Asian 6.2%
Hispanic 15.4 %
White 46.7%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 6.1%

Randolph: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 50.1%
Asian 17.3%
Hispanic 16.1%
White 11.5%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 4.6%


Avon: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&
African American 31.2%
Asian 4.6%
Hispanic 12.0%
White 43.9%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 7.7%

Holbrook: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 22.7%
Asian 6.1%
Hispanic 15.2%
White 47.3%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 8.3%

Brockton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 59.5%
Asian 1.8%
Hispanic 19.2%
White 14.4%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 4.7%

Canton
: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 11.3%
Asian 11.1%
Hispanic 6.8%
White 63.8%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 6.7%

Norwood:https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 12.2%
Asian 7.7%
Hispanic 17.7%
White 58.6%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 3.0%

Milton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 13.2%
Asian 7.9%
Hispanic 5.6%
White 67.4%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 5.7%

Taunton: https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 20.9%
Asian 1.0%
Hispanic 14.0%
White 57.6%
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 5.9%

This is a contiguous area directly south of Boston, it's all along Route 28/Route 24 and southwestward down Washington Street. save for Taunton which is a bit more detached.

Other districts south of Boston with a notable % of Black Students include:

Bridgewater-Raynham-8.9%, Quincy 7.9%, Weymouth 7.8%, Attleboro 7.8%, Dedham 7.3%, Easton 7.0%, and Foxborough 7.0%

Boston (excluding in-district Charter Schools-which are much blacker): https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/profil...orgtypecode=5&

African American 29.0%
Asian 8.9%
Hispanic 43.0%
White 15.2% (up from the all-time low of 12.3% my senior year of HS, 2012)
Multi-Race, Non-Hispanic 3.5%
Some others nearby like Braintree, Mansfield and Sharon are around 5% and are likely to get into that next tier of percentages soon. I remember a while back when Mansfield’s HS Football team came to play teams in Rochester and Syracuse a couple of years around 2010/2011 and they had some black players on the team back then.
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