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Old 04-17-2021, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Hudson County, New Jersey
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Baltimore looks liek it has better bones than Boston. If it didn't go down the road it did, would it be denser/larger? It seems like it stays consistently more dense than the Boston area.

Is my assessment correct?
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Old 04-17-2021, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Pacific Northwest
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Wow... ...am I looking at a sunny day?! unbelievable! Not a cloud in the sky!
It's been mostly sunny for weeks.... I've been watering my yard.


Seattle Chinatown/ID (own photo last week). Seattle's bus system is also much larger than Baltimore's.

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Old 04-17-2021, 12:17 PM
 
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That does sound cool and there’s no doubt Baltimore has a more organic and more consistent urban fabric. But there’s nothing remotely suburban or exurban about Seattle’s dense urban neighborhoods like Capitol Hill, Pioneer Square, Belltown, First Hill, Lower Queen Anne, etc. The 20+ apartment buildings compliment a highly urban environment and there’s plenty of street life going on in these areas as well.
Further afield, the U District, Ballard, West Seattle Junction, Fremont, and even some smaller areas like Columbia City and 23rd & Jackson are pretty vibrant too. It's amazing what happens when you build 1,000 apartments in a little node among houses, or 3,000 in an larger node.

Another point...no matter what the stats and photos say, they're old news as Seattle was growing at 2% per year. Residential starts have continued during Covid with only a moderate hitch. One of the biggest highlights would be the 2,500 student housing beds that have recently broken ground in three projects in the U District, which is now allowing towers again and has a light rail subway opening this year.
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Old 04-17-2021, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Baltimore looks liek it has better bones than Boston. If it didn't go down the road it did, would it be denser/larger? It seems like it stays consistently more dense than the Boston area.

Is my assessment correct?
Assesment correct.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3091...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3095...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3094...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3272...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3283...7i13312!8i6656

All well removed from downtown.

The thing is there soooooo much heavy industry and highways in some part of the city. Not to mention abandonment.

But honestly Baltimroes urban bones are far better than Bostons. Boston is too disjointed and haphazard. It has good neighborhoods but Baltimore is well-planned consistent urbanism. Fallen into decay

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3075...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3082...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 04-17-2021, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Baltimore looks liek it has better bones than Boston. If it didn't go down the road it did, would it be denser/larger? It seems like it stays consistently more dense than the Boston area.

Is my assessment correct?
No, definitely not. Boston’s downtown core all the way through the central neighborhoods is significantly more dense than Baltimore. Even Boston’s skyline, which some say is a minor weakness, is much larger, taller, and dominant than Baltimore’s.
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Old 04-17-2021, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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No, definitely not. Boston’s downtown core all the way through the central neighborhoods is significantly more dense than Baltimore. Even Boston’s skyline, which some say is a minor weakness, is much larger, taller, and dominant than Baltimore’s.
Having lived in both cities and have seen just about every square mile of both cities i think hes very correct. Of course, it would be larger as Baltimore was already larger at its peak than Boston was. Baltimore had more people in it as recently as 2010. Downtown Boston is more impressive but the density of the average neighborhood-built density at least its much better in Baltimore. Easily. Much much more of Baltimore is industrial space and then there's some highway going through portions of it in the Southeast as well as lots of freight track that's at-grade. Neighborhood density in neighborhoods that arent severly abandoned is just a little below Bostons (anecdotally) albeit formal amenities are lacking.
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Old 04-17-2021, 12:53 PM
 
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Assesment correct.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3091...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3095...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3094...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3272...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3283...7i13312!8i6656

All well removed from downtown.

The thing is there soooooo much heavy industry and highways in some part of the city. Not to mention abandonment.

But honestly Baltimroes urban bones are far better than Bostons. Boston is too disjointed and haphazard. It has good neighborhoods but Baltimore is well-planned consistent urbanism. Fallen into decay

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3075...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3082...7i16384!8i8192
They really put a dedicated bus lane on North Ave.
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Old 04-17-2021, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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North Ave does have relatively light traffic for a major boulevard but I don't think the bus lane is bad. At least its not a physical barrier.

They put a physical barrier for bike lanes on E North Ave near where it meets N Howard Street. It literally took a whole lane away from cars on the westbound side.
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Old 04-17-2021, 01:57 PM
 
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It's been mostly sunny for weeks.... I've been watering my yard.


Seattle Chinatown/ID (own photo last week). Seattle's bus system is also much larger than Baltimore's.
Seattle has been a case where its either overcast and mild drizzle for weeks / months, or the sun is out for several weeks from my experience.
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