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Primark is in the lower floors of the Burnham Bldg, adjacent to Millennium Tower. Many will recall what used to be over there, re; Filene's bldg gone, became the Filene's Hole: Before Millennium Partners gave Tom Menino an offer he couldn't refuse--now making part of the garage of the 685' Millennium Tower.
Up the way, they just poured the 50th level at Winthrop Square (our new, hideously fat re; social justice PAN AM/MET Life tower thing) going 691', having about 50' of vertical structure left to go.
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Seattle isn't glamorous at all. Tech Nerd capital. Super dreary weather and gray. Same with SF too but to a lesser degree.
I agree that Seattle isn't glamorous at all, though I don't think the weather is really relevant. Seattle is significantly sunnier and less gloomy than Paris and London (among many other European cities). A lot of people I'm sure would argue these two cities are pretty glamorous.
The entire purpose of the “New England Preppy” is for only other rich people to know you’re wearing expensive stuff. Kind of the opposite of Glamorous which by definition is flashy.
Vineyard Vines may be luxury but it’s not glamorous
That’s cool….but the vast majority of people in Boston aren’t even from MA…and those who are aren’t New England preppy. A huge percentage are immigrants and or minorities who don’t subscribe to what it is you’re saying. It’s Boston, not Andover.
50% of the city is an immigrant or immigrants kid, and most of the city isn’t even Caucasian compound that with the influx of people from NYC and California and it’s obvious why Boston is a too luxury car market and why it’s so expensive and in my opinion glitzy. New England Preppy as though that’s really where most people are from or conforms to is asinine. Most of the wealth and flash if not all of it comes from people not from there. You’re talking like Thoreau is coming around the corner and or it’s the 1960s.
An argument about old money and New England this or that would make more sense to me if the city wasn’t being defined and heavily shaped by a massive ongoing surge of new money not from New England or if the population was really based in what you’re describing take a step back and look around the mayor and much of city council and other high ranking officials aren’t from New England but rather Chicago and other countries entirely.
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The territory bounded roughly by Government Center and State Street on the north, Tremont Street on the west, Essex Street on the south and the buried Central Artery on the east sure looks to me like a "downtown". Downtown Crossing may have lost all its department stores, but it's still a recognizably commercial crossroads along the lines of State and Madison streets in Chicago or Herald Square in New York.
And just to the northeast of this is Post Office Square, which last I looked was still ringed with office buildings. And it looks to me like it still is. If this isn't a "downtown," and a big-city one too, then the word "downtown" has no meaning.
And that general area is definitely a central business district, too. What else would you call it? It's certainly not Beacon Hill, or the North End, or Chinatown.
There just is not “Downtown Boston” simply doesn’t exist. But Downtown Crossing is an approximation IMO too. But it’s just a few blocks maybe 3/4. Government Center isn’t downtown there’s not a lot of activity there. But regardless a lot of people live in the area you just outlined for me, if I look for the population of downtown Boston I get 19-27,000 people depending on the definition so it’s not almost no one.
Much of the more glamorous residences are in Seaport now, some are in DTX or Chinatown. ..Also there are department stores in Downtown Crossing. Macys, Old Navy, and Primark are right there in the middle of it all: but Marshalls, Home Goods, TJ maxx is also there. The only vacancy is a former Forever 21.
DTX is interesting because it’s mainly local who shop there and local teens who hang out there, some tourist come through for sure but the residential has been built to cater to the Uber wealthy- mostly in the last 10 years-who would associate with crowds in Back Bay or Seaport afaik. One Dalton is a mega luxury high rise closer to Newbury street but a lot of stuff isn’t down that way. Some of that shows up in some of the cafes/stores that have popped up. It’s hard for DTX to compete with some of the other central Boston neighborhoods in terms of retail due to Bosylston/Newbury and Cooley Place/prudential place and some of the cute cafes and restaurants and things in the South End. The flashier larger restaurant by the water at seaport don’t help either.
It’s where this modernity, diversity, old money intersect in the back drop of a clean and pristine city and waterways where the glamour comes in. Nevermind the shopping and what I would consider to be the online with people connotations of glamour- Encore Boston Harbor the only Wynn casino resort outside of Las Vegas or Macau.
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That’s cool….but the vast majority of people in Boston aren’t even from MA…and those who are aren’t New England preppy. A huge percentage are immigrants and or minorities who don’t subscribe to what it is you’re saying. It’s Boston, not Andover.
50% of the city is an immigrant or immigrants kid, and most of the city isn’t even Caucasian compound that with the influx of people from NYC and California and it’s obvious why Boston is a too luxury car market and why it’s so expensive and in my opinion glitzy. New England Preppy as though that’s really where most people are from or conforms to is asinine. Most of the wealth and flash if not all of it comes from people not from there. You’re talking like Thoreau is coming around the corner and or it’s the 1960s.
An argument about old money and New England this or that would make more sense to me if the city wasn’t being defined and heavily shaped by a massive ongoing surge of new money not from New England or if the population was really based in what you’re describing take a step back and look around the mayor and much of city council and other high ranking officials aren’t from New England but rather Chicago and other countries entirely.
How many Puritans (Congregationalists) live in Boston? Like 2%? Maybe?
How much of Boston uptight culture is defined by Puritan ideals? Like a lot of it.
In literally any other thread you’d be taking about how boring and run down Boston is. But ever the contrarian Boston is suddenly a fancy, exciting flashy city.
That’s cool….but the vast majority of people in Boston aren’t even from MA…and those who are aren’t New England preppy. A huge percentage are immigrants and or minorities who don’t subscribe to what it is you’re saying. It’s Boston, not Andover.
There are plenty of immigrants and especially 2nd gen in my experience that buy into the New England prep aesthetic. Andover may only be 17% foreign born, but Lexington is 29% (slightly more than Boston) and I'm sure you'd see plenty of people in Sperrys and Vineyard Vines.
There just is not “Downtown Boston” simply doesn’t exist. But Downtown Crossing is an approximation IMO too. But it’s just a few blocks maybe 3/4. Government Center isn’t downtown there’s not a lot of activity there. But regardless a lot of people live in the area you just outlined for me, if I look for the population of downtown Boston I get 19-27,000 people depending on the definition so it’s not almost no one.
Much of the more glamorous residences are in Seaport now, some are in DTX or Chinatown. ..Also there are department stores in Downtown Crossing. Macys, Old Navy, and Primark are right there in the middle of it all: but Marshalls, Home Goods, TJ maxx is also there. The only vacancy is a former Forever 21.
DTX is interesting because it’s mainly local who shop there and local teens who hang out there, some tourist come through for sure but the residential has been built to cater to the Uber wealthy- mostly in the last 10 years-who would associate with crowds in Back Bay or Seaport afaik. One Dalton is a mega luxury high rise closer to Newbury street but a lot of stuff isn’t down that way. Some of that shows up in some of the cafes/stores that have popped up. It’s hard for DTX to compete with some of the other central Boston neighborhoods in terms of retail due to Bosylston/Newbury and Cooley Place/prudential place and some of the cute cafes and restaurants and things in the South End. The flashier larger restaurant by the water at seaport don’t help either.
It’s where this modernity, diversity, old money intersect in the back drop of a clean and pristine city and waterways where the glamour comes in. Nevermind the shopping and what I would consider to be the online with people connotations of glamour- Encore Boston Harbor the only Wynn casino resort outside of Las Vegas or Macau.
Um, I think you forget that one of the traditional definitions of a "downtown" or "central business district" is that it has a bigger daytime population than it does after business hours. The area I described in my prior post meets that criterion, even by your own tally, at least pre-COVID. Even Center City Philadelphia, which has the third-largest downtown residential population in the country — and one that's about triple the figure you gave for Downtown Boston — meets this criterion. So do "edge cities" like Tysons in Virginia or King of Prussia here.
So I still maintain that your assertion that "Boston has no 'downtown'" is refuted at the very least by the existence of people, groups and even road signs that use that term to refer to part of the original peninsula on which the Town of Boston sat, since greatly expanded in area by filling in of the Back Bay and South Cove. That territory also meets the traditional definition of what constitutes a "downtown."
There are plenty of immigrants and especially 2nd gen in my experience that buy into the New England prep aesthetic. Andover may only be 17% foreign born, but Lexington is 29% (slightly more than Boston) and I'm sure you'd see plenty of people in Sperrys and Vineyard Vines.
Lexington and Andover arent Boston and neither is glamorous. If you move or live there you're looking for something VERY different than what you'll get in Boston. Really it gets tiring talking to people who will try to market towns with very different cultures into Boston.
But a lot of MA posters like to add and subtract GBA towns ad hoc depending on the thread topics when discussing Boston. Plenty of towns where there are more immigrants that are closer to Boston and you won't see Vineyard Vines but rather Lululemon, or Canada Goose, or Jordans, or Workboots-you and I both know that. Because the culture isn't uniform from town to town or neighborhood to neighborhood. So far regarding Boston, you and others have brought up Lexington, Somerville, and Andover. I feel like I'm the only one posting evidence and information about Boston.
Legit makes me question how much you all really are in/were from Boston or at least what circles and for how long? You see- well saw -Sperrys everywhere I don't think that makes a place unglamorous but I'm not really talking about those people. If you're wearing Sperrys not on a boat right now... you need to put them away. That fad came and went.
Not only is Boston undeniably posh and international and it also boasts the appropriate incomes, real estate, institutions, new money and amenities. With much of it feeling shiny and new at this point. The vibe in Back Bay or South End is not the same affluent vibe you're going to get in Byfield or whatever. And coming from a more mundane city (Baltimore) it certainly feels glamorous but not in relation to LA/NYC/MIA. That's basically my point. Had we been talking 2010 Id be singing a different tune.
How many Puritans (Congregationalists) live in Boston? Like 2%? Maybe?
How much of Boston uptight culture is defined by Puritan ideals? Like a lot of it.
In literally any other thread you’d be taking about how boring and run down Boston is. But ever the contrarian Boston is suddenly a fancy, exciting flashy city.
Boring? To an extent.
Run Down? If you think Boston is run down compared to literally any other comparables. Ha. Come to my hood, Il show you real run down. Lived here a year and already had a gun pointed at me, was mugged, car got broken into and someone got shot in my 'new' building. As we say in Jersey, Boston is a playground.
But yeah, Boston is Glamorous. Suburban Boston is even more glamorous. More of a "I like European Art and eat cheese with my wine on Wednesday" glamorous.
Um, I think you forget that one of the traditional definitions of a "downtown" or "central business district" is that it has a bigger daytime population than it does after business hours. The area I described in my prior post meets that criterion, even by your own tally, at least pre-COVID. Even Center City Philadelphia, which has the third-largest downtown residential population in the country — and one that's about triple the figure you gave for Downtown Boston — meets this criterion. So do "edge cities" like Tysons in Virginia or King of Prussia here.
So I still maintain that your assertion that "Boston has no 'downtown'" is refuted at the very least by the existence of people, groups and even road signs that use that term to refer to part of the original peninsula on which the Town of Boston sat, since greatly expanded in area by filling in of the Back Bay and South Cove. That territory also meets the traditional definition of what constitutes a "downtown."
Okay- sure. I'm just saying there is no agreed-upon or official Downtown Boston. I personally prefer a lot of Boston as Downtown. But usually, Dowtown is under "Central" Boston. I get what you're saying I'm just saying. Most places in Boston have a bigger daytime population than the nighttime population though, at least the central areas. Seeing as the city's population doubles during the day. At least pre-pandemic.
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