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Phoenix numbers are that weak?
It's a borderline top 10 metro with large principal city limits. I would think it would have at least double that number
This probably says more about urbanity than a list of 150-meter buildings.
This! It’s telling that NYC has 6,700+ buildings at 300 sq. miles and Chicago has 1400+ at 230 sq. miles, DC has 500+ at 61 sq. miles, San Fran has 450+ at 46 sq. miles, and Boston has 370+ at 48 sq. miles.
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Phoenix numbers are that weak?
It's a borderline top 10 metro with large principal city limits. I would think it would have at least double that number
This is actually by city proper, in which Phoenix is 5th in population.
The fact that Las Vegas has more high rises than Phoenix despite being a much smaller city is so embarrassing for America's 5th largest city. They have so much land to build upward yet they continue to create endless ugly sprawl and suburbia. Phoenix needs to put more effort into their downtown, stop prioritizing their suburbs, encourage downtown urban living and maybe just maybe the city will build high rises residential and business, but I'm not holding my breath considering America's obsession with suburbia hellscapes.
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This probably says more about urbanity than a list of 150-meter buildings.
Partially. I think this in combination with total “low rise” buildings would tell the even greater “urbanity” picture. Because that would actually tell us how “full” a city is building wise, and we can obviously correlate that to the overall square mileage of each city.
I think it's interesting and important to gauge the entire scale of how full cities are with buildings that are not just "skyscrapers", but also above your average "low rise" 3-4 story structure. Some people often look to skyscrapers as a measure of urban scale, but from the ground level skyscrapers changes a city's aesthetics, and often times affects the street level activity negatively. Often with buildings in the "high rise" category you can still meet a good standard of street activity while still having a "taller" than average building.
Emporis high-rise standard:
A high-rise building is a structure whose architectural height is between 35 and 100 meters. A structure is automatically listed as a high-rise when it has a minimum of 12 floors, whether or not the height is known. If it has fewer than 40 floors and the height is unknown, it is also classified automatically as a high-rise.
The list below does not contain "low-rises" nor "Skyscrapers". These are the totals for the amount of buildings in between that. To search for your city just go to the Emporis site and add that city to the search field.
The list is by city proper, all cities with at least 100 high-rises:
New York City: 6,786 buildings (300 sq mi) Chicago: 1,404 buildings (234 sq mi)
I think it's interesting and important to gauge the entire scale of how full cities are with buildings that are not just "skyscrapers", but also above your average "low rise" 3-4 story structure. Some people often look to skyscrapers as a measure of urban scale, but from the ground level skyscrapers changes a city's aesthetics, and often times affects the street level activity negatively. Often with buildings in the "high rise" category you can still meet a good standard of street activity while still having a "taller" than average building.
Emporis high-rise standard:
A high-rise building is a structure whose architectural height is between 35 and 100 meters. A structure is automatically listed as a high-rise when it has a minimum of 12 floors, whether or not the height is known. If it has fewer than 40 floors and the height is unknown, it is also classified automatically as a high-rise.
The list below does not contain "low-rises" nor "Skyscrapers". These are the totals for the amount of buildings in between that. To search for your city just go to the Emporis site and add that city to the search field.
The list is by city proper, all cities with at least 100 high-rises:
New York City: 6,786 buildings (300 sq mi) Chicago: 1,404 buildings (234 sq mi)
I did this very same count but included buildings 10 floors plus and San Antonio has slightly more than 200. I wrote all the info on a sheet of paper. The page for San Antonio is interrupted for some reason with other type structures and then the high rises start up again a few pages later. Not sure why there is a break in sequence.
I compared a few cities and Charlotte, Nashville and Austin have more than 40 less than San Antonio. I did however include 9 floor buildings since they were about the same feet in height or very close to or taller than the 10 floor buildings. This is where San Antonio surpasses the cities with more taller buildings.
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Heads up that the Emporis numbers also include planned, under construction, unbuilt, and demolished buildings in the total numbers shown. Going to the site, and clicking on the list, identifies the status of each individual building.
Of the few cities I looked at, removing all except those existing or under construction reduces Cleveland by 56, Columbus by 23, Phoenix by 58, New Orleans by 37, Detroit by 88, etc.
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The fact that Las Vegas has more high rises than Phoenix despite being a much smaller city is so embarrassing for America's 5th largest city. They have so much land to build upward yet they continue to create endless ugly sprawl and suburbia. Phoenix needs to put more effort into their downtown, stop prioritizing their suburbs, encourage downtown urban living and maybe just maybe the city will build high rises residential and business, but I'm not holding my breath considering America's obsession with suburbia hellscapes.
It doesn't sound like you know much about Phoenix or Vegas for that matter. Sure downtown Phoenix seems lackluster compared to other cities as it grew much later and grew out because it was cheaper, but downtown Phoenix has improved and continues to improve by leaps and bounds compared to what it once was. It's no surprise the amount of high rises in Vegas considering it's primary industry is tourism and the city has more hotel rooms than any other city in the U.S. since it's major attractions are the casinos and hotels. If the Phoenix metro took all of its hotels and resorts from Scottsdale and other places around the valley and placed them as high rises downtown, you'd see quite a difference in its high rise count and skyline. Hard to put golf courses downtown though. Furthermore, the "suburbs" in the Phoenix metro were areas of agriculture and independent towns that grew together over time to become cities in their own right and are always competing against Phoenix for just about everything. It's amazing the growth that Tempe has seen as well in recent years.
The fact that Las Vegas has more high rises than Phoenix despite being a much smaller city is so embarrassing for America's 5th largest city. They have so much land to build upward yet they continue to create endless ugly sprawl and suburbia. Phoenix needs to put more effort into their downtown, stop prioritizing their suburbs, encourage downtown urban living and maybe just maybe the city will build high rises residential and business, but I'm not holding my breath considering America's obsession with suburbia hellscapes.
Downtown Phoniex sits underneath the flight path of its airport, hence it's DT has hieght restrictions similar to Boston & San Diego
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