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When was the last time you heard "Rhine-Ruhr" said on TV news in the context of discussing major world cities/spheres of influence?
Its a great example of how there are large urban agglomerations that maintain boundaries/separation elsewhere in the world, while at the same time a large part of this forum is posters frantically trying to justify the arrangement cities up to 70 miles apart from each other as one entity to claim primacy over a rival on the opposite coast.
Uhhhh... you're not going to hear a lot about urban agglomerations of other countries especially those with other languages here very often. It's not like the US news makes frequent mention of Kansai, Kinki, and Keihanshin and it's pretty clear people in Japan say these terms for that region. If the idea is that having heard of it is what makes it real, then for damn sure the San Francisco Bay Area, sometimes shortened to something as presumptuous as just the Bay Area, is a pretty well known quantity in this country in the English language. Even a subsection like Silicon Valley that spills into both MSAs is well known in this country and this language. Are you trying to bolster arguments that it's one metropolitan area? Did I misunderstand your intent?
It's clear that the ring around the bay is a single metropolitan area. It doesn't fit great with how MSAs are calculated by the census, but it is a single metropolitan area.
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I’m not saying it’s number 4, but lack of nonstop flights does not stop people from Asia or elsewhere from getting to it and/or knowing of it.
Most definitely within the US top 10, possibly as high as 7 and consistent with Kearney’s global cities ranking (GaWC has it 8th); I was responding to another poster who suggested it did not even belong in the top 10. If we’re talking well known global marquis consumer brands in addition to air destinations, I can name quite a few with standalone boutique presence in lowly Miami not found in a couple of the more worldly higher ranked top 5 or 6 US cities (and others).
Miami is definitely ranked either 4th or 5th In the US when it comes to global branding. Besides Los Angeles and New York, every other US city lacks a presence in a region. My home in the Bay Area still doesn’t have a nonstop flight to South America.
When was the last time you heard "Rhine-Ruhr" said on TV news in the context of discussing major world cities/spheres of influence?
Its a great example of how there are large urban agglomerations that maintain boundaries/separation elsewhere in the world, while at the same time a large part of this forum is posters frantically trying to justify the arrangement cities up to 70 miles apart from each other as one entity to claim primacy over a rival on the opposite coast.
I’m not sure but it’s absolutely a thing if you’ve ever watched a WWI or WWII documentary.
It depends on the radar tho. Miami is extremely well known around the world, and is a major destination of the super rich.
Thats true but there can only be so many #4's on the list... Sf and imo especially DC has a case and maybe even for 3rd place ahead of Chicago if we're factoring in future growth aswell
Thats true but there can only be so many #4's on the list... Sf and imo especially DC has a case and maybe even for 3rd place ahead of Chicago if we're factoring in future growth aswell
True.
Sometimes I prefer to lump cities in alphabetical order by tiers based on similar caliber of options, opportunities and amenities.
Tier 1
Atlanta, Boston, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Washington.
Atlanta above DFW ain't happening.
DFW is like 2 million bigger than metro Atlanta
has more Fortune 500 companies,
is a much bigger logistics/transit hub (BNSF Rail HQ, Two major airlines HQ, top 3 for Amazon Fulfillment center,#1 in industrial/warehouse growth, three airports, including one Cargo only that can accommodate the largest planes)
Is in a state that is Mexico's biggest trade partner, which is one the countries top 5 trading partners.
is a metro that can draw equally from any region in the country because of its locale.
Invest much better in infrastructure than Atlanta
Like Houston, has a big tax revenue source Atlanta does not have...oil and gas
Houston is more ethnically diverse but economically its much more concentrated (Energy Healthcare and the sea port.) DFW has some energy HQs but is the Financial capital of the southern plains, has significant military contractors/manufactors, national retailers, tech and telecommunication HQs,
In 1980, both metro Houston and DFW were the same size, since then DFW has expanded faster. DFW will be the fourth metro to hit 8 million residents before 2030. Even SF/SJ if it were one MSA would be smaller.
You're probably in the minority on the Dallas vs. Atlanta debate. Despite having a larger economy, better highway infrastructure and population, Atlanta serves as the de facto capital of an entire region, have a busier airport, better located, better universities, better history, the Hollywood for Black America and one of the best film cities in the U.S. It's not a knock on Dallas, but Atlanta also have a great logistical base with a much better airline than Dallas (Delta). Atlanta also is home to several overseas North American HQ, such as Porsche and Mercedes. It's growing, diverse tech city (often ranked in the top 5) and Atlanta is known for the CDC and Coke as well.
Atlanta above DFW ain't happening.
DFW is like 2 million bigger than metro Atlanta
has more Fortune 500 companies,
is a much bigger logistics/transit hub (BNSF Rail HQ, Two major airlines HQ, top 3 for Amazon Fulfillment center,#1 in industrial/warehouse growth, three airports, including one Cargo only that can accommodate the largest planes)
Is in a state that is Mexico's biggest trade partner, which is one the countries top 5 trading partners.
is a metro that can draw equally from any region in the country because of its locale.
Invest much better in infrastructure than Atlanta
Like Houston, has a big tax revenue source Atlanta does not have...oil and gas
Houston is more ethnically diverse but economically its much more concentrated (Energy Healthcare and the sea port.) DFW has some energy HQs but is the Financial capital of the southern plains, has significant military contractors/manufactors, national retailers, tech and telecommunication HQs,
In 1980, both metro Houston and DFW were the same size, since then DFW has expanded faster. DFW will be the fourth metro to hit 8 million residents before 2030. Even SF/SJ if it were one MSA would be smaller.
J.J. might be on to something. Last year's freeze has dissuaded relocations to TX--big hit to DFW's bread-and-butter. The local paper--the biggest cheerleader for DFW's rising national profile--has admitted that no major relocation announcements have taken place for a year.
The only relocations this year were away from DFW to Houston: Howard Hughes and Exxon HQ! Wouldn't be surprised for more Dallas to Houston relocations: TX Instruments relocating to Sugar Land (opposite HP in Klein) and Southwest because Hobby is their growing international hub business.
Even Dell might be heading to West Houston to get away from the craziness of Austin/Round Rock, etc. One report says Houston has the second-largest number of tech workers in Texas. (Oddly DFW was third, despite the long telecom history!?!)
Another big threat would be mergers and acquisitions. Atlanta has been gobbling up companies. Houston's Marble Slab Creamery, Minute Maid, and Telecheck (lost due to Harvey) have moved to be with the conglomerate's HQ in Atlanta. Dallas won't be immune either: Struggling American Airlines being bought by Delta!
There is plenty of vacant land along eastern Galveston Bay and Brazosport to build warehouses to store imports/exports for sea traffic. Completing I-69 will relieve pressure on I-35 truck traffic between Mexico and the Eastern U.S. That should cut down on the 1 day supply chain delay caused by moving goods far from the port.
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My home in the Bay Area still doesn’t have a nonstop flight to South America.
My home in Houston doesn't have a nonstop flight to Australia. (We do have a flight to New Zealand.). Not complaining!
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I just did a quick search on flightsfrom.com and looks like LAX doesn’t have nonstops to South America either…surprised. They used to if I recall correctly.
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Miami is definitely ranked either 4th or 5th In the US when it comes to global branding. Besides Los Angeles and New York, every other US city lacks a presence in a region. My home in the Bay Area still doesn’t have a nonstop flight to South America.
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