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Yes, this. Buffalo shares a license plate with NYC, that's about it. There are probably 10 metro areas more linked to NYC than Buffalo. Not that I think Philly is necessarily connected in any way outside of physical distance, but at least they share the Acela, the Northeast Corridor, the state of NJ and a few sports rivalries.
That's a bit of an undersell. It's fair to acknowledge that even though they're still distinctive regions, they've certainly grown "closer" in modern times.
Philadelphia and New York do have the 2nd most migratory interchange (only to Los Angeles<--> Riverside, CA) of any two metro areas in the US, leading to more sociocultural overlap than ever before.
Philadelphia and New York do have the 2nd most migratory interchange (only to Los Angeles<--> Riverside, CA) of any two metro areas in the US, leading to more sociocultural overlap than ever before.
A little dated, but I think these numbers help give some perspective:
Buffalo and Rochester share a common state government with NYC. Other than that it's hard to think of much they have in common. Philly is far more similar from a cultural and geographic point. I would say Lower New England, NJ and Eastern PA have more in common with NYC than Western NY does.
Western NY has more in common with North East Ohio and Western Pa and even MI than the northeast east of the Appalachians.
Albany vs Philly would perhaps be a closer contests.
Buffalo and Rochester share a common state government with NYC. Other than that it's hard to think of much they have in common. Philly is far more similar from a cultural and geographic point. I would say Lower New England, NJ and Eastern PA have more in common with NYC than Western NY does.
Western NY has more in common with North East Ohio and Western Pa and even MI than the northeast east of the Appalachians.
Albany vs Philly would perhaps be a closer contests.
Buffalo shares:
- state government and state laws
- SUNY system with significant downstate-upstate student mixes
- more residents who migrated from NYC than from any other place in the country
- many Buffalo families have close ties with family in NYC
- despite proximity to CLE and TO, the Yankees are the most popular baseball team
- Buffalo is less like a small Manhattan/Brooklyn and more like a smaller Queens/Staten Island kind of city
- a sharp edge toward directness and a recognition and appreciation of sarcasm (busting balls)
Bottom line though is still Philly is more culturally similar.
Buffalo shares:
- state government and state laws
- SUNY system with significant downstate-upstate student mixes
- more residents who migrated from NYC than from any other place in the country
- many Buffalo families have close ties with family in NYC
- despite proximity to CLE and TO, the Yankees are the most popular baseball team
- Buffalo is less like a small Manhattan/Brooklyn and more like a smaller Queens/Staten Island kind of city
- a sharp edge toward directness and a recognition and appreciation of sarcasm (busting balls)
Bottom line though is still Philly is more culturally similar.
The stat I've heard is that more people move between NYC and Philadelphia than between any other two cities in the country. And for the past 20 years plus, the migration has been net towards Philadelphia.
Given how close the two cities are to each other — their metropolitan regions overlap — this makes sense to me, and I can't figure out how the migration to Buffalo would be greater.
Given how close the two cities are to each other — their metropolitan regions overlap — this makes sense to me, and I can't figure out how the migration to Buffalo would be greater.
My guess is the prior poster was referring to in-migration to the Buffalo area being disproportionately comprised of ex-metro NYCers on a percentage basis, although the total volume of in-migrants of course is much smaller compared to Philadelphia.
The stat I've heard is that more people move between NYC and Philadelphia than between any other two cities in the country. And for the past 20 years plus, the migration has been net towards Philadelphia.
Given how close the two cities are to each other — their metropolitan regions overlap — this makes sense to me, and I can't figure out how the migration to Buffalo would be greater.
I think the buffalo stat is that more people move to buffalo from NYC than any other place. Not too surprising given NYC is so much larger than any other nearby city. I suspect this is largely driven by people from NYC attending UB and some immigrant communities attracted to a low CoL and people with WNY roots returning after living in NYC for a few years
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