City of Atlanta vs DC Proper Black Demographic Changes

[UrbanQuest]

More Asians and Hispanics are moving into DC than Atlanta. So I guess DC will dechocalify quicker.

[MDAllstar]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

That seems to be a phantom claim. I don't recall saying that nor do I recall anyone else saying that. I don't think White people particularly want to live there, but Black people move there because it's affordable and a chance at home ownership.

What I do recall saying/doing was providing numbers showing that there were virtually zero college-educated Black women making over 100K living in Ward 8. Or something along those lines. I do think Ward 8 is a rarely ever a first option for people.

I don't know what data you're referring to, but here is the educational data for the study area:

2022 Data for DC (Zip Codes 20019, 20020, 20032)

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 20019
Black Male Alone = 3,346
Black Female Alone = 4,960

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 20020
Black Male Alone = 2,442
Black Female Alone = 4,676

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 20032
Black Male Alone = 1,207
Black Female Alone = 2,196


2022 Data for Atlanta (Zip Codes 30310, 30311, 30315)

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 30310
Black Male Alone = 1207
Black Female Alone = 1,795

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 30311
Black Male Alone = 2,208
Black Female Alone = 3,778

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 30315
Black Male Alone = 1,430
Black Female Alone = 2,008

Census Data

[Hemlock140]

I would expect more white and Asian folks fleeing high priced cities/states for Atlanta to drive up the prices, and change the racial makeup. I can't imagine why anyone not working for the federal government would want to move to D.C., with the cost of living second only to Hawaii.

[MDAllstar]

Originally Posted by BajanYankee

That seems to be a phantom claim. I don't recall saying that nor do I recall anyone else saying that. I don't think White people particularly want to live there, but Black people move there because it's affordable and a chance at home ownership.

What I do recall saying/doing was providing numbers showing that there were virtually zero college-educated Black women making over 100K living in Ward 8. Or something along those lines. I do think Ward 8 is a rarely ever a first option for people.

I don't know where you got that data point from, but that is not true. They don't have median income broken down by race, but zip codes 20019, 20020, and 20032 in DC are about 90% Black so these median incomes are probably accurate.

2022 Median Income Data for DC (Zip Codes 20019, 20020, 20032)

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 20019
Male w/ Bachelors = $81,815
Female w/ Bachelors = $75,833
Male w/ Graduate = $107,688
Female w/ Graduate = $109,476

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 20020
Male w/ Bachelors = $81,845
Female w/ Bachelors = $55,258
Male w/ Graduate = $98,320
Female w/ Graduate = $90,194

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 20032
Male w/ Bachelors = $79,100
Female w/ Bachelors = $59,769
Male w/ Graduate = $105,547
Female w/ Graduate = $137,546


2022 Median Income Data for Atlanta (Zip Codes 30310, 30311, 30315)

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 30310
Male w/ Bachelors = $58,665
Female w/ Bachelors = $54,005
Male w/ Graduate = $85,616
Female w/ Graduate = $63,425

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 30311
Male w/ Bachelors = $36445
Female w/ Bachelors = $47752
Male w/ Graduate = $61667
Female w/ Graduate = $58,018

Bachelor's Degree or Higher in Zip Code 30315
Male w/ Bachelors = $62980
Female w/ Bachelors = $53,212
Male w/ Graduate = $75,000
Female w/ Graduate = $72,283


Census Data

[MDAllstar]

Originally Posted by Hemlock140

I would expect more white and Asian folks fleeing high priced cities/states for Atlanta to drive up the prices, and change the racial makeup. I can't imagine why anyone not working for the federal government would want to move to D.C., with the cost of living second only to Hawaii.

The cost of living in DC for the eastern portion of the region where Black people live is very affordable. That's especially true based on income. This corridor in zip code 20019 along East Capitol Street SE is the #2 most affluent predominantly Black corridor of any city in America outside of Queens NYC.


East Capitol St. SE = 75% Black with a $123,889 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 90% Black with a $119,219 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 89% Black with a $117,763 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 94% Black with a $113,005 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 87% Black with a $108,333 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 93% Black with a $106,235 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 74% Black with a $104,792 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 78% Black with a $100,658 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 82% Black with a $99,474 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 93% Black with a $91,330 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 96% Black with a $84,107 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 92% Black with a $81,066 Median Income

East Capitol St. SE = 99% Black with a $79,531 Median Income


This area below is probably one of the highest-income areas on the corridor, but the median income is not listed. It has a 30% household share making over $200,000 with a 99% Black population.

East Capitol St. SE

[Allthatsfit]

Originally Posted by Hemlock140

I would expect more white and Asian folks fleeing high priced cities/states for Atlanta to drive up the prices, and change the racial makeup. I can't imagine why anyone not working for the federal government would want to move to D.C., with the cost of living second only to Hawaii.

But that's just it. The federal government is a huge employer. Too big actually... But it is... And pays very well too... I mean that's usually where cost of living is high... Where pay is high. Miami area being maybe an exception.
Covid kind of skewed things everywhere in terms of consumer goods and real estate inflation... But that's the general rule.

[NorthAmerica_US]

Originally Posted by Hemlock140

I would expect more white and Asian folks fleeing high priced cities/states for Atlanta to drive up the prices, and change the racial makeup. I can't imagine why anyone not working for the federal government would want to move to D.C., with the cost of living second only to Hawaii.

It attracts a different type of person (assuming one has the choice.)

People don’t spend less money on a “low cost” (lower wage?) city. They spend it differently.

Myself, I would have to go from a household of no cars to two cars if I moved from DC to Atlanta. I’d also probably opt for a larger single family home with a nice yard, maybe put some money into deck furniture, etc.

But I’ve yet to ever see someone move and lower their expenses. I’ve seen people move for a life style change. I’ve seen suburbanites actually move and lower their expenses and have relatively the same lifestyle.The urbanity in a place like Atlanta (concentrated mostly on midtown and downtown) isn’t really cheaper vs some of the lower cost urban areas in DC anyway plus there are just higher wages in general (minimum wage in GA is $7.25. It’s $17 in DC.)

People choose DC, and other areas, because they prefer an urban lifestyle. People are spending the same money on different things. Which is fine. Some people prefer beaches, mountains, rural, urban or suburban.

[KSM0984]

Originally Posted by UrbanQuest

More Asians and Hispanics are moving into DC than Atlanta. So I guess DC will dechocalify quicker.

I find that hard to believe. The Hispanic and Asian populations have been growing at a healthy rate in Atlanta. The white population has exploded in the city. The black percentage of the population has been declining for decades now.

[Tone2002]

Originally Posted by KSM0984

I find that hard to believe. The Hispanic and Asian populations have been growing at a healthy rate in Atlanta. The white population has exploded in the city. The black percentage of the population has been declining for decades now.

The percentage definitely dipped below 50% with the latest census…