Ranking: 100 Metro Area Where Black Americans Thrive the Most (best, population, Los Angeles)

[ClevelandBrown]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

I think with the COL, some may use things like the NAHB Housing Opportunity index, median home prices, calculators, etc.

With that said, I agree that the gap between 1 and 100 may not be a great, when things may get adjusted a little bit here and there. I say that because $100k in the lower end of the list is at least solidly middle class, while is it more straight middle class in some places further up the list.

I'd be interested in seeing this same exact criteria they used but if it ranked white household income. I'm betting the percent of white households would go up significantly across the board but the overall 1-100 rankings would hardly move.

[murksiderock]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

Same here, but it is essentially for Fairfield County. Meaning, that includes Norwalk, Stamford, Greenwich, Danbury, Stratford, etc. So, that is something to consider as well.

Also, in terms of other areas of the country, I'm kind of surprised by how low Las Vegas was ranked on the list.

The methodology on this list fails to account for the black experience too, which, Lending Tree is white owned, so no surprise there, I wouldn't expect them to capture the black experience though it's still worth noting....

Vegas really isn't a good place for black people. I'm a city where only about 12% of the population is black, there are way too many black homeless. Black income isn't the greatest there and the amenities you can find for black people there can be found elsewhere...

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Such as where?

B02009-BLACK OR AFRICAN AMERICAN ALONE OR IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OTHER RACES

2019-2021
Sacramento-Roseville CSA +15,731
Los Angeles-Long Beach CSA +13,598
San Jose-Francisco-Oakland CA +12,835

Not booming, but not contracting either.


Right, but this is confirmation that there are lots of people doing fine.


But flocking somewhere doesn't mean they will be better off there, either.

We can only judge the actual data before us, not what we perceive things to be based on media reporting.

Link to the site that shows 2019-2021 population growth, please!

[atadytic19]

Originally Posted by murksiderock

The methodology on this list fails to account for the black experience too, which, Lending Tree is white owned, so no surprise there, I wouldn't expect them to capture the black experience though it's still worth noting....

Vegas really isn't a good place for black people. I'm a city where only about 12% of the population is black, there are way too many black homeless. Black income isn't the greatest there and the amenities you can find for black people there can be found elsewhere...



Link to the site that shows 2019-2021 population growth, please!

To be fair Las Vegas black population has seen enormous growth in the last 20 years. The black population grew by an astounding 40% last decade and now has more black people than Phoenix and Nashville despites Phoenix 35% blk growth rate and much larger metro size


As for the blk population growth for the 3 California areas, the data is presented by CSA so that might account for the positive numbers. People might be living LA metro for example, but moving to IE.

Los Angeles blk population is a shadow of what it was in the 90's, and really small compared to any of the other top metros. NY, Chicago, Houston, DFW, DC, Philadelphia, Atlanta and Detroit all have more.
Heck Baltimore might have passed metro LA by now.
Between the last two census counts LA lost 6.5% of it's black population while Baltimore increased by 4%.

[As Above So Below...]

Originally Posted by murksiderock

Link to the site that shows 2019-2021 population growth, please!

He's using CSA data and the LA and SF CSA areas are so large by land area. Its hard to tell demographic trends by looking at CSA's. There is also a difference between "Black in Combination" vs. "Black Alone".

Here is the data. Black Growth/Loss 2019-2021 by Urban Area

Black Alone
Stockton: 2,643
Fairfield: 1,165
Indio/Palm Springs/Cathedral City: 935
Sacramento: 908
Bakersfield: 685
Modesto: 682

Merced: -234
San Jose: -262
Vallejo: -1,991
Fresno: -2,744
San Diego: -4,487
Riverside/San Bernardino: -5,969
San Francisco/Oakland: -7,332
Los Angeles/Orange County: -30,186

Black in Combination/Mixed Race
Sacramento: 11,038
San Diego: 3,423
Stockton: 2,841
Bakersfield: 2,707
San Jose: 2,333
Modesto: 1,805
Fairfield: 1,780
Fresno: 994
San Francisco: 565
Merced: 464

Los Angeles: -132
Indio/Palm Springs/Cathedral City: -303
Vallejo: -816
Riverside/San Bernardino: -2,045

Digging through these numbers deeper, the "Black in Combination" in these areas are almost entirely white/black growth. So what California has is a some growth among people who are black and white mixed as opposed anything else. The black alone numbers are dropping far and fast.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by murksiderock

Link to the site that shows 2019-2021 population growth, please!

data.census.gov

B02009-BLACK OR AFRICAN AMERICAN ALONE OR IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OTHER RACES
----------------------------2019-------2021
Los Angeles CSA-----1,442,880---1,456,178
Bay Area CSA----------682,422-----695,257
Sacramento CSA-------227,273-----243,004

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by As Above So Below...

He's using CSA data and the LA and SF CSA areas are so large by land area. Its hard to tell demographic trends by looking at CSA's.

Maybe not where you live, but housing prices in the Bay Area area a huge driver of movement within the CSA, LA as well, and Sacramento is the Bay Area's #1 out migration destination.

So you can try to focus on MSAs if you want but that doesnt really give an accurate description of local movement. It's not just Blacks btw, other racial groups are also moving within the region or to Sacramento--so yeah.

and so it's a statistical fact that as far as B02009-BLACK OR AFRICAN AMERICAN ALONE OR IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OTHER RACES---the populations in all 3 areas are rising, not shrinking.

[Mutiny77]

Originally Posted by murksiderock

The methodology on this list fails to account for the black experience too, which, Lending Tree is white owned, so no surprise there, I wouldn't expect them to capture the black experience though it's still worth noting....

What do you mean by "the black experience" and how would any source, regardless of who owns it, quantify that?

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

sorry, but that narrative doesnt work when places with smaller percentages of Black families have more enclaves and concentrations of wealth than places with much larger overall populations.

Otherwise, explain this:

The data below is based on 2 Criteria from data.census.gov:
1. Median Black Family Income, 2020
2. Black Population, 2020(I only included places with 2,000+ population)

I'm not done with the DC Metro, but that area has 42 places in just Maryland, so I know DC is going to be by far number 1 or number 2(havent done NY either), not to mention Chicago(haven't done)

This was originally created for a West Coast-centric thread hence the inclusion of small CA MSAs but I just added metros in other parts of the country.

Anyway,
City, STATE, Median Black Family Income(Black Population)

Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Alpharetta Metro Area: 7 places
Alpharetta, GA $143,194(9,541)
Canton, GA $116,274(3,947)
Grayson, GA $109,066(2,669)
Milton, GA $120,722(5,974)
North Decatur, GA $106,250(2,412)
Peachtree City, GA $101,985(2,857)
Sugar Hill, GA $106,284(3,115)
Tyrone, GA $144,167(2,280)

Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown Metro Area: 2 places
Cedar Park, TX $101,542(2,907)
Leander, TX $127,703(5,919)

Boston-Cambridge-Newton Metro Area: 6 places
Brookline, MA $108,179(2,767)
Everett, MA $100,511(10,226)
Marlborough, MA $124,125(2,345)
Medford, MA $102,652(6,994)
Milton, MA $140,078(5,230)
Newton, MA $154,561(3,616)

Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington Metro Area: 11 places
Crowley, TX $100,060(3,738)
Flower Mound, TX $141,681(4,223)
Forney, TX $105,906(3,459)
Frisco, TX $123,008(17,198)
Mansfield, TX $113,548(17,270)
Midlothian, TX $123,301(2,987)
Murphy, TX $101,225(2,917)
Paloma Creek South, $116,441(2,515)
Prosper, TX $229,464(2,231)
Rockwall, TX $104,743(3,665)
Sachse, TX $110,234(2,526)

Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land Metro Area: 5 places
League City, TX $112,483(9,913)
Manvel, TX $117,626(2,103)
Pearland, TX $127,517(25,007)
Sugar Land, TX $126,111(8,898)
The Woodlands, TX $120,215(5,504)

Las Vegas-Henderson-Paradise Metro Area: No places

Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim Metro Area: 14 places
Azusa, CA $100,750(2,403)
Carson, CA $101,525(24,539)
Cerritos, CA $124,745(4,708)
Costa Mesa, CA $108,529(2,247)
Culver City, CA $134,332(4,508)
Diamond Bar, CA $124,079(2,543)
Huntington Beach, CA $103,019(5,021)
Irvine, CA $148,091(7,505)
Ladera Heights, CA $163,268(4,816)
Laguna Niguel, CA $108,839(2,315)
Mission Viejo, CA $121,103(2,017)
Redondo Beach, CA $110,972(4,098)
Santa Clarita, CA $108,259(12,993)
View Park-Windsor Hills, CA $121,912(9,463)

Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach Metro Area: 5 places
Cooper, FL $133,319(2,835)
Jupiter, FL $100,078(2,150)
Parkland, FL $137,011(3,234)
RIchmond West, FL $110,833(3,391)
Weston, FL $126,328(3,832)

Napa Metro Area: 1 place
American Canyon, CA $163,068(2,190)

Oxnard-Thousand Oaks-Ventura Metro Area: 2 places
Thousand Oaks, CA $117,798(3,043)
Simi Valley, CA $104,125(2,998)

Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington Metro Area: 3 places
Glasgow, DE $106,071(3,766)
Clayton, NJ $100,828(2,047)
Lawnside, NJ $118,281(2,506)

Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario Metro Area: 10 places
Chino Hills, CA $185,139(4,042)
Corona, CA $105,208(13,437)
Eastvale, CA $156,538(6,431)
Menifee, CA $107,447(7,820)
Montclair, CA $105,139(2,008)
Murrieta, CA $117,806(8,062)
Temecula, CA $113,386(8,075)
Temescal Valley, CA $131,106(2,329)
Wildomar, CA $104,405(2,012)
Woodcrest, CA $145,906(2,406)

Sacramento-Roseville-Folsom Metro Area: 5 places
Davis, CA $109,563(2,815)
Elk Grove, CA $104,616(25,070)
Folsom, CA $102,813(4,412)
Rocklin, CA $133,839(2,256)
Roseville, CA $152,865(4,364)

San Diego-Chula Vista-Carlsbad Metro Area: 1 place
San Marcos, CA $111,161(2,756)

San Francisco-Oakland-Berkeley Metro Area: 17 places
Brentwood, CA $168,607(7,108)
Concord, CA $116,833(7,294)
Dublin, CA $105,500(3,024)
East Palo Alto, CA $102,545(4,366)
El Cerrito, CA $110,123(2,154)
Fairview, CA $125,857(2,272)
Fremont, CA $113,714(8,707)
Hercules, CA $106,760(5,247)
Livermore, CA $174,886(2,359)
Newark, CA $121,146(2,058)
Novato, CA $106,329(2,704)
Oakley, CA $113,285(4,418)
Pinole, CA $114,559(2,852)
San Lorenzo, CA $118,313(2,298)
San Mateo, CA $125,083(3,843)
San Ramon, CA $179,205(3,282)
Union City, CA $103,516(4,344)

San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara Metro Area: 3 places
Milpitas, CA $128,846(3,256)
Mountain View, CA $108,859(2,302)
Santa Clara, CA $116,679(4,706)

Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue Metro Area: 4 places
Frederickson, WA $125,572(3,103)
Graham, WA $119,950(2,500)
Kirkland, WA $100,208(2,583)
North Lynwood, WA $100,568(2,177)

Stockton Metro Area: 2 places
Mountain House, CA $144,962(2,064)
Tracy, CA $129,534(6,749)

I know you weren't trying to be comprehensive, but I'd say that omitting any Midwest (East/West North Central) metro areas from this list is a pretty glaring oversight. The Mountain states are also unrepresented here.

Originally Posted by murksiderock

The methodology on this list fails to account for the black experience too, which, Lending Tree is white owned, so no surprise there, I wouldn't expect them to capture the black experience though it's still worth noting....

Vegas really isn't a good place for black people. I'm a city where only about 12% of the population is black, there are way too many black homeless. Black income isn't the greatest there and the amenities you can find for black people there can be found elsewhere...

Mutiny77 beat me to what I was going to say. How do you quantify "the Black experience"? I don't think that a Black-owned firm would be able to do it, either.

[ckhthankgod]

I think the “black experience” aspect may could into play in terms of an area like Provo UT being tied for 3rd with a very low black percentage. Same for similar areas on the list is what I believe he is referring to.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by ckhthankgod

I think the “black experience” aspect may could into play in terms of an area like Provo UT being tied for 3rd with a very low black percentage. Same for similar areas on the list is what I believe he is referring to.

Perhaps, but stating that larger numbers therefore equates to greater economic prosperity is a patently false premise.