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View Poll Results: Which city is more urban? Boston or San Francisco
Boston 152 49.35%
San Francisco 156 50.65%
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Boston has more extreme structural density, but I think SF has a far greater area of it.
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Old 08-01-2009, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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this is a close one!
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Old 08-02-2009, 01:37 AM
 
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As these videos illustrate, San Francisco is significantly more urban than Boston.

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Old 08-02-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Denver
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The population densities for many Bay Area cities far exceeds 4,600 psm, and some exceed 9,000 as well. Here's a few examples:

East Bay

Berkeley: 9,692
Alameda: 6,538
Albany: 9,407
Emeryville: 7,862
San Leandro: 5,933

SF Peninsula

Daly City: 13,425
Burlingame: 6,392
South SF: 6,929
San Mateo: 7,551
Mountain View: 5,914
The Bay Area is very dense. However, some of the inner suburbs of Boston are extremely dense too. Here's a few noteworthy surrounding cities and their People per Square Mile Densities:

Cambridge: 15,800
Somerville: 18,150
Chelsea: 17,365
Everett: 10,960
Malden: 10,925
Brookline: 8,060
Watertown: 7,932
Revere: 9,380
Lynn: 8,070
Arlington: 7,912
Winthrop: 10,077
Melrose: 5,700
Quincy: 5,500
Belmont: 4,970
Newton: 4,600
Salem: 5,052

Some of the older Mill Towns are also pretty dense:
Lawrence: 10,000
Lowell: 7,500

Another thing people often don't take into account is that for 9 months of the year there are around 250,000 college students living in the Boston/Cambridge area. If you take college students into account, the Boston/Cambridge area grows to about 930,000 (I reduced the population by 30,000 in an attempt to compensate for students who are actually from Boston/Cambridge and are attending college. Not sure how accurate my guess is) in 55 square miles. That would bring the density up to around 16,900, much closer to San Francisco levels.

All that said, I actually voted San Francisco as the more urban environment.
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Old 08-02-2009, 02:43 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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all these cities are urban... dc/sf/boston... just different styles... or more of it. plenty of people living next to downtown living urban lifestyles. sf is definitely california, boston is definitely new england. I don't know how you quantify "more urban" .... now if we want to talk better weather, better public transit, better upscale shopping, better chinatowns... we can have an actual comparison.
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Old 08-02-2009, 04:50 PM
 
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The Bay Area is very dense. However, some of the inner suburbs of Boston are extremely dense too. Here's a few noteworthy surrounding cities and their People per Square Mile Densities:

Cambridge: 15,800
Somerville: 18,150
Chelsea: 17,365
Everett: 10,960
Malden: 10,925
Brookline: 8,060
Watertown: 7,932
Revere: 9,380
Lynn: 8,070
Arlington: 7,912
Winthrop: 10,077
Melrose: 5,700
Quincy: 5,500
Belmont: 4,970
Newton: 4,600
Salem: 5,052

Some of the older Mill Towns are also pretty dense:
Lawrence: 10,000
Lowell: 7,500

Another thing people often don't take into account is that for 9 months of the year there are around 250,000 college students living in the Boston/Cambridge area. If you take college students into account, the Boston/Cambridge area grows to about 930,000 (I reduced the population by 30,000 in an attempt to compensate for students who are actually from Boston/Cambridge and are attending college. Not sure how accurate my guess is) in 55 square miles. That would bring the density up to around 16,900, much closer to San Francisco levels.

All that said, I actually voted San Francisco as the more urban environment.
Wow, there are a lot of pretty dense towns over there. Do they really not include college students into the census though? And if so would you know whether or not that is the case here as well? Just curious. I always assumed the students here would be included in rough estimates due to apartment and dorm rentals in the area, but I suppose there is no way to really track all the many rooms and in-laws that are rented out to students and whoever else when that's done without going through legal steps. I guess its similar to illegals who are off the grid. Over here at least, its more likely there is a greater number of illegals than there are college students. I wonder what the real numbers are.

Either way, it sounds like both cities and immediate surrounding areas are pretty comparable in population and density.
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Old 08-03-2009, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Which is more urban? Boston or San Francisco? It all started out by a poll between SF and DC. Then it turned to a poll between Boston and DC. The poll between SF and DC was kind of close with SF in the lead, but the poll between Boston and DC was a blowout with Boston in the lead. So with that said, which city is more urban? Boston or San Francisco?
San Francisco has a much higher population density per square mile; relative to Boston. Both are relatively high by American standards though.
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Old 08-04-2009, 07:49 AM
 
Location: St Paul, MN - NJ's Gold Coast
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I like Boston better, but I can't be bias and say Boston is more urban because San Francisco is one of the denser cities in America which is key to being very urbanized.
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Old 08-04-2009, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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here's a pretty cool set of boston pics.

Boston, Massachusetts - SkyscraperCity

but i agree that these are some of the more dense cities out there. it's more of a preference really.
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Old 08-04-2009, 09:15 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Here is a pretty cool set of photos for San Francisco....

WG does San Francisco - SkyscraperPage Forum

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=121651


Makes me want to book a trip right now.
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