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Old 07-15-2017, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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That's totally redundant. The goal is to compare two areas with a similar population and demographics. It doesn't matter if it's a city, neighborhood, housing project whatever. It's still a more realistic view than comparing an area of 2,000,000 people to 500,000.
"Compare Chicago's hoods to DC hoods."

That's just what i said eariler. Compare neighborhoods. Futhermore Wenthworth district covers or overlap different communities. Generally everyone argues rates over count so whichever D.C roughest community during that time frame will have a higher rate than Englewood.
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:15 AM
 
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"Compare Chicago's hoods to DC hoods."

That's just what i said eariler. Compare neighborhoods. Futhermore Wenthworth district covers or overlap different communities. Generally everyone argues rates over count so whichever D.C roughest community during that time frame will have a higher rate than Englewood.
Dude I already went over this with you. Englewood vs East St. Louis is an equal comparison. 25,000 vs 25,000. To break it down any further is redundant. You're repeating something I just stated in my last comment. Both the Wentworth district in Chicago and Ward 8 in DC encompass different neighborhoods. I literally just said that. I'm comparing them because the population is similar.

Wentworth district (pop. 65,834)
Murders: 99
Shootings: 1,200 (*More than the entire city of DC)


Ward 8 (pop. 86,437)
Murders: 96
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:21 AM
 
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"Compare Chicago's hoods to DC hoods."

That's just what i said eariler. Compare neighborhoods. Futhermore Wenthworth district covers or overlap different communities. Generally everyone argues rates over count so whichever D.C roughest community during that time frame will have a higher rate than Englewood.
What are you smoking? Englewood by itself had more people shot and or killed by gunfire than the entire city of Washington DC.

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Old 07-15-2017, 06:36 AM
 
Location: City of Atlanta
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Yea those cities along with Springfield MA had 90s peaks that were pretty high.
my father is from springfield, ma. i'm curious to know, do you have any more details on what the city was like during that period in the 90's?
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Old 07-15-2017, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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Dude I already went over this with you. Englewood vs East St. Louis is an equal comparison. 25,000 vs 25,000. To break it down any further is redundant. You're repeating something I just stated in my last comment. Both the Wentworth district in Chicago and Ward 8 in DC encompass different neighborhoods. I literally just said that. I'm comparing them because the population is similar.

Wentworth district (pop. 65,834)
Murders: 99
Shootings: 1,200 (*More than the entire city of DC)


Ward 8 (pop. 86,437)
Murders: 96
Brother your repeating yourself than me. That's being redundant. The infrastructure is what im getting at but you reaching with these comparisons. They have similar number of people but 1 neighborhood to 1 city is a major difference including when you talking other factors.

Futhermore i stated homicide rate not count. Take it up with others on the citydata & statisticians. They look at rate so D.C thus have a higher chance of fatalities. Many shootings due to overall larger community.

How's the weather in Nashville? It must be doing something to your attitude.
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Old 07-15-2017, 10:46 PM
 
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Those cities are 1,000s of miles away from each other and are not related. Compare Chicago's hoods to DC hoods. Ward 8 is historically known as the worst of the worst in DC. It had a population above 86,000 with 96 homicides in 1991. The Wentworth district in 1990 had a population 65,000 with 99 murders and 1,200 others shot.
They could've been 3000 miles away. The point is that they were 2 1/2 times smaller together than Chicago but saw more killings.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:05 PM
 
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Brother your repeating yourself than me. That's being redundant. The infrastructure is what im getting at but you reaching with these comparisons. They have similar number of people but 1 neighborhood to 1 city is a major difference including when you talking other factors.

Futhermore i stated homicide rate not count. Take it up with others on the citydata & statisticians. They look at rate so D.C thus have a higher chance of fatalities. Many shootings due to overall larger community.

How's the weather in Nashville? It must be doing something to your attitude.
Wrong. You can't compare a city of 2.7 million to a city of 600,000. It's more logical to just compare the bad areas of each city. That's why I compared the worst area in DC (ward 8) to the Wentworth district in Chicago. Both areas have a similar population and demographics as far as race. However, the Wentworth district has more murders and a higher murder rate per capita than DC's ward 8. On the other hand, when comparing an even smaller city like East St Louis, you don't have to break it down any further because it's already the right size to compare to a neighborhood in Chicago like Englewood. Same population. Both over 90% black, etc. But Englewood has double the amount of murders.

Wentworth District (pop.65,834)
Murders: 99
Murder rate per capita: 150.3

Ward 8 (pop.86,437)
Murders: 96
Murder rate per capita: 111.0

Englewood (pop.26,121)
Murders: 49
Murder rate per capita: 187.5

East St Louis pop.26,672
Murders: 19
Murder rate per capita: 71.2
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:37 PM
 
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They could've been 3000 miles away. The point is that they were 2 1/2 times smaller together than Chicago but saw more killings.
They aren't together though. That's my point. Chicago also had more murders than the entire state of Louisiana with less population.

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Old 07-15-2017, 11:43 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Wrong. You can't compare a city of 2.7 million to a city of 600,000. It's more logical to just compare the bad areas of each city. That's why I compared the worst area in DC (ward 8) to the Wentworth district in Chicago. Both areas have a similar population and demographics as far as race. However, the Wentworth district has more murders and a higher murder rate per capita than DC's ward 8. On the other hand, when comparing an even smaller city like East St Louis, you don't have to break it down any further because it's already the right size to compare to a neighborhood in Chicago like Englewood. Same population. Both over 90% black, etc. But Englewood has double the amount of murders.

Wentworth District (pop.65,834)
Murders: 99
Murder rate per capita: 150.3

Ward 8 (pop.86,437)
Murders: 96
Murder rate per capita: 111.0

Englewood (pop.26,121)
Murders: 49
Murder rate per capita: 187.5

East St Louis pop.26,672
Murders: 19
Murder rate per capita: 71.2
You can't compare Ward 8. You have to go by neighborhood. Ward 8 has some of the wealthiest black families in the country in Hillcrest and other neighborhoods in Ward 8. Many of the mayors in DC lived in Hillcrest. You have to go by neighborhood. Barry Farms, Third World, Simple City etc. etc. etc.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Smaller cities usually have a higher violent crime rate than mega metropolitan cities like New York, Los Angeles and Chicago but this can be very misleading because a city like Chicago for example can have a neighborhood with more violent crime than a mid-size city like Washington DC. For example, Englewood experienced 1,456 shootings 11 months into the year while Washington DC had 780 shootings in all of 1994. The same year in Englewood there were 729 stabbings and 1,421 serious beatings with other weapons such as baseball bats and hammers.
DC's worst years were 1989-1991. The city crime rate was in decline by 1992.
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