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You're so caught up in trying to prove me wrong that you're not even listening to what I'm saying. I'm using recent data for both places. Englewood had 49 murders I'm 2016 with 26,121 people. East St Louis had 19 murders with 26,672 people.
You are also caught up in proving a point. You use 90s data first. In regardless , A neighborhood in East St Louis have a higher rate.
You are also caught up in proving a point. You use 90s data first. In regardless , A neighborhood in East St Louis have a higher rate.
I proved my point already. You're just reaching to redundant levels. I never used 90s data for Englewood when comparing it to East St. Louis but if you say so. And no neighborhood in East St Louis has a higher rate. You're just letting anything fall out your mouth without any data whatsoever to back it up.
Ive already said you gotta compare the big cities to each other and do the same with mid size & small cities.
There's no sense in comparing New York to St Louis or D.C
The population factor is always key.Even if we go by murder rates,smaller cities will always rate higher than the bigger cities majority of the time due to population.
Now cities with historical reputations of violence is New Orleans, Detroit,Chicago, New York & Philadelphia.
The 90's is glorified because it's the most popular decade far as nationwide violence but the 80's was far worse.
New York, L.A & Chicago all have violent highlights in the 90's far as big cities go,Mid size cities go to D.C,Detroit & Atlanta.
Another way to compare is the homicide rate of each ethnicity in the city.You can't compare a neighborhood in a small city to a neighborhood in a big city with different ethnic backgrounds because again the population factor and racial makeup is key.
Say Neighborhood A has 36 murders with 45k in a big city
While Neighborhood B has 20 murders with 30k in small city
Who's to say that some of those murders aren't from guys putting in work from another Neighborhood across the city ?
So if Neighborhood C is the cause of most homicides in Neighborhood A than how is Neighborhood A more dangerous ?
For example,
We all know Brooklyn has a violent reputation but the borough today is going through so much gentrification that an outsider would visit Brooklyn today and think it's sweet.
Unfortunately racial makeup and population is the key to why one city is more dangerous than the next.
Dude I already went over this with you. Englewood vs East St. Louis is an equal comparison. 25,000 vs 25,000. To break it down any further is redundant. You're repeating something I just stated in my last comment. Both the Wentworth district in Chicago and Ward 8 in DC encompass different neighborhoods. I literally just said that. I'm comparing them because the population is similar.
Wentworth district (pop. 65,834)
Murders: 99
Shootings: 1,200 (*More than the entire city of DC)
Ward 8 (pop. 86,437)
Murders: 96
I posted about this a while ago:
"I know in 1993 the 7th district MPD, which is basically ward 8 said it recorded its highest count at 133 homicides. Ward 8 at the time is only about 80,000 people. . Nowadays that’s how much the whole city had for 2016 at 681,000."
So its magically 96 all the sudden??
The math would state that 99/ .65 = 152 per 100k Wentworth District and 133/.86=154 , giving the slight edge to Ward 8.
I posted about this a while ago:
"I know in 1993 the 7th district MPD, which is basically ward 8 said it recorded its highest count at 133 homicides. Ward 8 at the time is only about 80,000 people. . Nowadays that’s how much the whole city had for 2016 at 681,000."
So its magically 96 all the sudden??
The math would state that 99/ .65 = 152 per 100k Wentworth District and 133/.86=154 , giving the slight edge to Ward 8.
No, it didn't just magically become 96. The 133 homicides is for all of district 7 which includes ward 8 and parts of ward 6 and 7. That's why you said the 7th district is "basically" ward 8....but in reality it's not.
I posted about this a while ago:
"I know in 1993 the 7th district MPD, which is basically ward 8 said it recorded its highest count at 133 homicides. Ward 8 at the time is only about 80,000 people. . Nowadays that’s how much the whole city had for 2016 at 681,000."
So its magically 96 all the sudden??
The math would state that 99/ .65 = 152 per 100k Wentworth District and 133/.86=154 , giving the slight edge to Ward 8.
Economic development goes hand-in-hand with crime reduction in Anacostia, too, where the median price for a home is still the second-lowest of any neighborhood in the city at $242,000, RBI data show. Murders are down in the area. There were 35 homicides in Ward 8 last year compared with 96 in 1991, D.C. Police Department crime statistics and government homicide reports show. The area still leads the city.
The same year in 1991, ward 8 had a total of 96 murders for the entire year according to MPD while the 7th district as a whole had 127 by the end of November. What you're doing is claiming all 7th district murders as ward 8 murders which is not accurate because the 7th district includes ward 8 and parts of ward 6 and 7.
Although the 7th District leads the city in homicides -- 127 so far this year, two short of the 1990 total
Another interesting point is that there are districts in Chicago today that are worst than DC's Ward 8 was in the 90s. For example, the 11th district on Chicago's west side had 91 homicides by December 2016 with a population of 74,000 while the 7th district on the south side recorded 85 homicides with 58,000 people. That translates to a per capita homicide rate of 123 per 100k for the 11th district and 146 per 100k for the 7th district while the rate in DC's Ward 8 was only 111 per 100k in 1991.
LA, NYC, Chicago had the worst in the 90s. LA and NYC cleaned up their act, but not Chicago. For whatever reason, a lot of the most violent cities are in the mid-west.
Jackson in 1995 peaked at 94. Which gives it a rate then 49.6 per 100k. In 1993 the city had the 12th highest rate.
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