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It's 2009, not 1861. And I think you slept through your history classes.
Virginia was part of the Confederacy too. That doesn't mean that Northern VA is part of Dixie. It's part of the Northeast Corridor.
And parts of Arizona and New Mexico were also part of the Confederacy. Tuscon sits on Confederacy land. Are you really claiming that Tuscon is part of Dixie?
Texas is considered by many to be currently part of the South (including some Texans themselves), though it also has its own Texan identity which is not mutually exclusive with a Southern identity. Your talk of LA not being part of the Sun Belt is pretty weird, too, since most definitions put out there for the Sun Belt certainly include Southern California and Los Angeles. It's fine that you have an idiosyncratic labeling/definitions for regions and such, but it doesn't make sense for you to ridicule others for holding equally reasonable and more orthodox views.
Also, how is talking about poor Eastern European countries in economic crisis good proof that poverty and inequality in NYC, especially compared to Tokyo, is well and alive? I've been to a lot of cities in developing and developed countries, and while NYC might compare favorably to places like parts of Manila or Jakarta, it certainly doesn't compare so well with cities in developed countries (as in countries within the US's "peer group.").
San Diego has a larger GDP than Shanghai, Beijing and the entire state of Maharashta in India(Mumbai) and just under Singapore.
Combined Statistical Area compared to some World Urban Areas/ Total Gross Product($150B+) Greater Tokyo GDP $1.5 Trillion
New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA $1.284 Trillion
Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA $825.3 Billion Paris Metropolitan Area $731 Billion Greater London $669 Billion
Washington-Baltimore-Hagerstown, DC-MD-VA-WV $500.0 Billion
Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI $490.9 Billion
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA $475.5 Billion
Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH $383.8 Billion
Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX $344.5 Billion
Dallas-Ft Worth, TX $341.5 Billion
Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD $330.0 Billion Hong Kong $293 Billion
Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL $262.6 Billion
Miami-Ft Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL $248.0 Billion Buenos Aires GDP $245 Billion
Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI $233.0 Billion New South Wales State(Sydney) GDP $224 Billion Greater Madrid GDP $224 Billion
Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA $217.9 Billion Toronto Metro GDP $196 Billion Moscow GDP $181 Billion
Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ $179.4 Billion
Minneapolis-St Paul-St Cloud, MN-WI $186.7 Billion Greater Milan GDP $174 Billion
Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO $162.3 Billion Singapore GDP $161 Billion San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA $157.8 Billion Beijing GDP $146 Billion Seoul GDP $146 Billion Shanghai GDP $128 Billion Maharashta State(Mumbai) GDP $106 Billion Kuala Lumpur GDP $100 Billion
PWC did a study a couple years back that provided numbers similar to yours, perhaps more standardized - something you can reference. The SF Bay Area actually leaps ahead of Chicago when San Jose is added in.
http://www.pwc.co.uk/pdf/pwc_ukeo-section3-march07.pdf (broken link)
see page 20, based on urban agglomerations defined by Professor Thomas Brinkoff.
Definition: Agglomerations / metropolitan areas (A) include a central city and neighboring towns (suburbs) forming a connected region of dense, predominately urban population. Their population is economically and culturally linked to the central city (e.g. by commuters). Some agglomerations have more than one central city (e.g. "The Ruhr"). Mostly, the components of an agglomeration are small administrative divisions like communes. Neighboring agglomerations may form one agglomeration complex (AC).
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But L.A's GDP is 659 while Chicago's is 460. If L.A is almost twice the size of Chicago, shouldn't its GDP be a lot higher...? Just my logic.
It's measuring the GDP of urban areas, so all you gotta do is take the raw GDP number given for each city, and then divide it by urban pop. That's all I did...not sure if others have a better method.
It's 2009, not 1861. And I think you slept through your history classes.
Virginia was part of the Confederacy too. That doesn't mean that Northern VA is part of Dixie. It's part of the Northeast Corridor.
And parts of Arizona and New Mexico were also part of the Confederacy. Tuscon sits on Confederacy land. Are you really claiming that Tuscon is part of Dixie?
Northern Virginia includes Richmond(the Capitol of the Confederacy).You are right it is 2009,and no one I know in Atlanta calls it "DIXIE".
I would say that perception is mostly because of D.C. which has never been a Southern city, but the rest of Virginia is undoubtedly southern. Anyone else who says different is just playing themselves.
Washington D.C. from the beginning was a Southern City.
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The Compromise of 1790 was the first of three great political compromisesa made in the United States by the Northern and Southern states, occurring every thirty years, in an attempt to keep the Union together and prevent civil war.
Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and Thomas Jefferson, with the backing of George Washington, arranged the compromise. This included passage of the Residence Act in July and the Funding Act in August. Central to this was an agreement that several Southerners would change their votes and support the federal assumption of state debts in return for a bill locating the US capital on the Potomac River after a ten year temporary residence at Philadelphia.[1]
This implied that the North would not raise objections to slavery, since the capital, Washington, D.C. would be located in two slave states, Maryland and Virginia. Although political leaders knew differences between North and South would remain, they hoped they had created an indissoluble bond: a democratic nation, fueled by Northern financial and commercial capitalism, with its capital in the agrarian, slave-holding South. As the turbulent second session closed, congressmen as well as the press urged Americans to support the compromise. During the third session, Congress passed several laws confirming its terms
Texas is in "the South" the way Arizona is in "the South".
Yes, it's in the Southern U.S. No, it DEFINITELY isn't "the South", as in former Dixie. No freakin way. Totally different history, culture, accent, food, etc.
Actually the culture in Texas has MANY southern characteristics ,but not SOLELY.Many of the people that founded Texas(the American founders),including The "Father of Texas",Stephen F.Austin (born in Virginia),were mostly from the South. Kentucky and Tennessee were some of the more prominently represented states.The Texas Revolution basically was started because of all the transplants living under Mexican Rule with growing dissent of people that were American born citizens outnumbering the locals.
This explains why people in Texas even talk with a 'Southern Accent".Barbecue which is so big in Texas came from the South.The music (country,and folk),came from the South.So I am not sure what "culture,history,food,accent" you think had a greater influence on it than the South.The West of course is well represented there too,but there was a Southern U.S. way before there was a "West" to speak of.
Actually the culture in Texas has MANY southern characteristics ,but not SOLELY.Many of the people that founded Texas(the American founders),including The "Father of Texas",Stephen F.Austin (born in Virginia),were mostly from the South. Kentucky and Tennessee were some of the more prominently represented states.The Texas Revolution basically was started because of all the transplants living under Mexican Rule with growing dissent of people that were American born citizens outnumbering the locals.
This explains why people in Texas even talk with a 'Southern Accent".Barbecue which is so big in Texas came from the South.The music (country,and folk),came from the South.So I am not sure what "culture,history,food,accent" you think had a greater influence on it than the South.The West of course is well represented there too,but there was a Southern U.S. way before there was a "West" to speak of.
Well Texas culture is more than just southern culture.
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