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Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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I feel like I've taken a wrong turn and stepped into the Twilight Zone. Since when did boasting about your city's large UNDERCLASS minority population = progressive??? Wouldn't it be progressive if it had a sizeable middle-class minority population instead? This "our blacks" vs. "our Asians" argument is absurd.
Location: from houstoner to bostoner to new yorker to new jerseyite ;)
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Originally Posted by LAnative10
Just because a city has a small or tiny black community doesnt make it racist. The cities listed are progressive ones. The lack of a significant black community takes nothing away from that.
I fail to see where anyone said any such thing. No one is claiming these cities are inherently racist. That makes no sense in 2010.
What is being said is simply that perhaps these cities aren't as 'progressive' as they think, if the word suggests moving forward and being open-minded and accepting, along with the other socially liberal ideals of the left, and perhaps they need to take a page out of cities like Dallas and Houston's books to see what they are doing right in attracting and sustaining successful minority communities, no matter the race. I mean, progressives are supposed to be concerned with all people, right, not just the few? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Pretty much what separates the left from the right?
I fail to see where anyone said any such thing. No one is claiming these cities are inherently racist. That makes no sense in 2010.
What is being said is simply that perhaps these cities aren't as 'progressive' as they think, if the word suggests moving forward and being open-minded and accepting, along with the other socially liberal ideals of the left, and perhaps they need to take a page out of cities like Dallas and Houston's books to see what they are doing right in attracting and sustaining successful minority communities, no matter the race. I mean, progressives are supposed to be concerned with all people, right, not just the few? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Pretty much what separates the left from the right?
What is being said is simply that perhaps these cities aren't as 'progressive' as they think, if the word suggests moving forward and being open-minded and accepting, along with the other socially liberal ideals of the left, and perhaps they need to take a page out of cities like Dallas and Houston's books to see what they are doing right in attracting and sustaining successful minority communities, no matter the race. I mean, progressives are supposed to be concerned with all people, right, not just the few? That's kind of the point, isn't it? Pretty much what separates the left from the right?
Don't you think it's somewhat up to black individuals or the community as well? The Minneapolis area is home to 30 Fortune 1,000 companies and several large, private companies, including the country's largest - Cargill. It's a fact that these companies are looking to diversify their workforce. If black professionals aren't willing to move to Minneapolis, which IMO is a far better place to live than many major cities, then what can be done?
As far as taking a page out of cities like Dallas and Atlanta, the core cities of MPLS. - STPL. are doing just fine; perhaps better.
Growth in numbers from 1990 to 2000:
MPLS. - STPL.
Black: 31,294
Asian: 24,662
Other: 18,790
Hispanic: 34,154
Foreign born: 54,096
Great points, BlackOut. Minneapolis and St. Paul (don't forget St. Paul!) are more of a "black destination" than most people would think. Also very interesting seeing Atlanta decline in black population. Where did you get these numbers from?
Cargill is actually in Minnetonka, but it's still close enough to Mpls to commute in.
Great points, BlackOut. Minneapolis and St. Paul (don't forget St. Paul!) are more of a "black destination" than most people would think. Also very interesting seeing Atlanta decline in black population. Where did you get these numbers from?
Cargill is actually in Minnetonka, but it's still close enough to Mpls to commute in.
All the 2000 census information can be found at census.gov
I meant to say the Minneapolis area (I changed it). All the companies based out in the burbs are there because of either MPLS. or STPL. or both. Minnetonka wouldn't even exist as it does today if it weren't for MPLS. - STPL.
Don't you think it's somewhat up to black individuals or the community as well? The Minneapolis area is home to 30 Fortune 1,000 companies and several large, private companies, including the country's largest - Cargill. It's a fact that these companies are looking to diversify their workforce. If black professionals aren't willing to move to Minneapolis, which IMO is a far better place to live than many major cities, then what can be done?
As far as taking a page out of cities like Dallas and Atlanta, the core cities of MPLS. - STPL. are doing just fine; perhaps better.
Growth in numbers from 1990 to 2000:
MPLS. - STPL.
Black: 31,294
Asian: 24,662
Other: 18,790
Hispanic: 34,154
Foreign born: 54,096
I would put more stock in this if you werent comparing all of Minneapolis and St. Paul to just Dallas and just Atlanta. If you want to do it fairly, compare metro area to metro area.
I would put more stock in this if you werent comparing all of Minneapolis and St. Paul to just Dallas and just Atlanta. If you want to do it fairly, compare metro area to metro area.
What are you talking about? It's common knowledge that MPLS. - STPL. are the core cities of the TC metropolitan area. They are both major cities that literally border one another and are the reason the Twin Cities area even exist. Heck, you wouldn't even know what city you were in if it weren't for the street signs or the downtown areas. When it comes to the metropolitan area, they function as a core area. With that said, it's very much a legitimate comparison.
The whole argument against MPLS. and STPL. being the core area of the TC area is ridiculous. Take an urban studies class, read up on the history of the area, or better yet, VISIT the area before thinking they function like Dallas - Fort Worth or San Francisco - Oakland.
BTW, even without combining the growth in numbers, both MPLS. and STPL. are doing fine for cities their size.
Minneapolis
Black alone: 19,230
Asian: 8,323
Other race: 13,018
Hispanic: 21,776
Foreign Born: 32,851
St. Paul
Black alone: 12,064
Asian: 16,339
Other race: 5,772
Hispanic: 12,378
Foreign born: 21,245
The whole argument against MPLS. and STPL. being the core area of the TC area is ridiculous. Take a urban studies class, read up on the history of the area, or better yet, VISIT the area before thinking they function like Dallas - Fort Worth or San Francisco - Oakland.
I have been both places several times. I also have a degree in geography, so I would be willing to be I know more about it that most people. No one is arguing that they dont. But you're comparing the entire metro area of MSP to just the cities of Dallas and Atlanta. Not only that, your data is over 10 years old.
With that said, its not a valid comparison. Its a slanted one. Especially since a lot of the diversity in Dallas and Atlanta exists in the suburbs. Look at the below links, for to see the here and now.
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