10-28-2016, 09:22 AM
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I just went to Kohl's to buy an Indians shirt. They have HUNDREDS of them.....and not one with our beloved Chief Wahoo on it. So sad that this icon is being shelved in the name of political correctness.
10-28-2016, 09:40 AM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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When did Chief Wahoo become "beloved"? I am not an advocate of "PC" stuff, but I mean, Chief Wahoo is incredibly ugly on a strictly aesthetic level. I don't own any Indians gear with that embarrassingly poorly designed logo. Block C is great- traditional, old school, more sophisticated than a goofy cartoon.
10-28-2016, 03:25 PM
Location: Lakewood OH
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Originally Posted by
bjimmy24
When did Chief Wahoo become "beloved"? I am not an advocate of "PC" stuff, but I mean, Chief Wahoo is incredibly ugly on a strictly aesthetic level. I don't own any Indians gear with that embarrassingly poorly designed logo. Block C is great- traditional, old school, more sophisticated than a goofy cartoon.
I agree. Maybe someone has to be born in Cleveland and is used to Chief Wahoo to appreciate the icon, but as a recent transplant my first reaction to the character was "How silly looking."
Maybe it's time for a change.
10-28-2016, 04:16 PM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Minervah
I agree. Maybe someone has to be born in Cleveland and is used to Chief Wahoo to appreciate the icon, but as a recent transplant my first reaction to the character was "How silly looking."
Perfect timing too, as comish is willing to take the blame for it.
10-28-2016, 04:29 PM
Location: Boston, MA
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I must be among the minority and I am not from Cleveland. I ardently defend the Chief Wahoo icon, I don't think it is meant to be racist in any way, and I hope it never goes away. I purposely chose to purchase an Indians baseball cap with Chief Wahoo on it when I was visiting Cleveland 3 years ago and would have been very disappointed if I couldn't find one. The smiling Chief gives me back a smile and reminds me of the great team he represents. The Block C is too generic for my tastes just like the caps for all of the other major league teams that only have a letter on them.
10-28-2016, 04:43 PM
Location: Nashville TN, Cincinnati, OH
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Urban Peasant
I must be among the minority and I am not from Cleveland. I ardently defend the Chief Wahoo icon, I don't think it is meant to be racist in any way, and I hope it never goes away. I purposely chose to purchase an Indians baseball cap with Chief Wahoo on it when I was visiting Cleveland 3 years ago and would have been very disappointed if I couldn't find one. The smiling Chief gives me back a smile and reminds me of the great team he represents. The Block C is too generic for my tastes just like the caps for all of the other major league teams that only have a letter on them.
Totally agree I became an Indians fan because of Chief WAHOO and the movie Major League. I love this logo, its my favorite I also like the Boston Celtics logo as well.
10-28-2016, 05:44 PM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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Totally agree I became an Indians fan because of Chief WAHOO and the movie Major League. I love this logo, its my favorite I also like the Boston Celtics logo as well.
Interesting. I became an Indians fan because I'm from Cleveland and they absolutely dominated 1994-1999.
As for the block c from urban peasant, I don't think it's generic. Unless all letters are generic. I personally like the simplicity. Look back to the old days, all caps were just letters and less distinguishing than nowadays. I find it classy. Indians chief in my opinion is goofy, so is the oriole and the blue jay. But no I don't think it's "racist" per se.
10-28-2016, 06:59 PM
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Urban Peasant
I must be among the minority and I am not from Cleveland. I ardently defend the Chief Wahoo icon, I don't think it is meant to be racist in any way, and I hope it never goes away. I purposely chose to purchase an Indians baseball cap with Chief Wahoo on it when I was visiting Cleveland 3 years ago and would have been very disappointed if I couldn't find one. The smiling Chief gives me back a smile and reminds me of the great team he represents. The Block C is too generic for my tastes just like the caps for all of the other major league teams that only have a letter on them.
With you 100%. I love the logos that have some history to them, and Chief Wahoo IS the Cleveland Indians. Not some generic letter. I don't mind them using caps with a "C" on them as an alternate, but I DO mind them shelving an icon. Too many teams have updated their logos and the results have been terrible. Sports is about tradition, and Chief Wahoo goes back a long, long way.
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Did I say that one couldn't find them on-line? Of course you can find most ANYTHING you want to buy on-line! The point is, they are not READILY available.
10-28-2016, 09:18 PM
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Did I say that one couldn't find them on-line? Of course you can find most ANYTHING you want to buy on-line! The point is, they are not READILY available.
Some people just search for reasons to take offense. I saw some in a couple of stores this afternoon.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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