Does Cleveland lack economic vision and direction? (Columbus, Cincinnati: apartment, rent)

[TheProf]

I thought the purpose of the thread was to discuss the lack of regional economic vision of Cleveland's leaders, not to engage in a mean-spirited screed about supposed fat, lazy, stupid, smelly, (insert your negative adjective here _________). The point is, maybe, if our leaders would invest in re-training/education of some of these secondary school-educated working stiffs Andrew talks about, the workforce would be more dynamic and able to handle more of a variety jobs.

[Larry Siegel]

Originally Posted by andrew61

That is certainly true... but I still stand behind my assertion that all too many Clevelanders lack ambition and tend to "settle instead of strive", as one commenter to a Free Times article once put it many years ago. Where there's a will, there's a way, if one wants to better oneself and rise in life. It seems to me that most of the native Clevelanders who are strivers have already left the region.

Yep. I left in 1971, never came back except to visit. I and most of the people I grew up with spent our teenage years trying to decide whether to move to New York, Boston, Chicago, or California. I've lived in three of the four and am now in Chicago.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by TheProf

I thought the purpose of the thread was to discuss the lack of regional economic vision of Cleveland's leaders, not to engage in a mean-spirited screed about supposed fat, lazy, stupid, smelly, (insert your negative adjective here _________). The point is, maybe, if our leaders would invest in re-training/education of some of these secondary school-educated working stiffs Andrew talks about, the workforce would be more dynamic and able to handle more of a variety jobs.

Yeah, this gets brought up with weird frequency too. It's hard being perfect.

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by andrew61

That is certainly true... but I still stand behind my assertion that all too many Clevelanders lack ambition and tend to "settle instead of strive", as one commenter to a Free Times article once put it many years ago. Where there's a will, there's a way, if one wants to better oneself and rise in life. It seems to me that most of the native Clevelanders who are strivers have already left the region.

How do Clevelanders settle instead of strive? Give us examples.

[Urban Peasant]

Originally Posted by TheProf

The point is, maybe, if our leaders would invest in re-training/education of some of these secondary school-educated working stiffs Andrew talks about, the workforce would be more dynamic and able to handle more of a variety jobs.

Yes, the sad part is that re-training/education those folks mean the leaders will actually have to do work.

[andrew61]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

If you think smoking is backward, you just will want to avoid most of the world is all. Even the very cultured parts of the world. I mean, have you been to Paris??

Even in France, things are changing along those lines. I read this article today and thought you might find it of interest:

The French still love their cigarettes. But the once chic image is going up in smoke

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by Larry Siegel

Yep. I left in 1971, never came back except to visit. I and most of the people I grew up with spent our teenage years trying to decide whether to move to New York, Boston, Chicago, or California. I've lived in three of the four and am now in Chicago.

That's because you're a product of your time.

[NorwegianCat]

I recently moved to the Cleveland area(Strongsville) from Cincinnati. The one thing I can say about the area is that it seems "clunky". There are great areas (Westlake, Rocky River, Lakewood) however the whole metro area seems like a big puzzle board that hasn't been put together properly. You have your typical suburban areas (North Royalton, Strongsville, Independence, Brecksville Seven Hills) and then you have weird areas that seem under developed ( Brook Park, Middleburg Heights, Parma) that seem to get in the way.

[TheTimidBlueBars]

They should absolutely focus on marketing their cost of living. Other Midwestern cities like Columbus and Indianapolis have done it and now look at them.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by TheTimidBlueBars

They should absolutely focus on marketing their cost of living. Other Midwestern cities like Columbus and Indianapolis have done it and now look at them.

I don't think this is accurate at all.