05-05-2008, 04:55 PM
Location: Cleveland
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I dont really know anybody that thought about the winter weather when they were picking out their car. Its not that bad over here and pretty much any car will do in the winter, people around here drive every car you can think of in the winter. The only area around Cleveland I would worry about is the areas far East and NE of Cleveland. If you live in the city or on the westside or close Eastside suburbs it shouldnt affect which car you should pick.
05-07-2008, 08:47 PM
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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wait till you see what the snow tires are going to cost you on the scion, you will want rims to go with them i'm sure... would hate to ruin nice chromes or mags... the tc is lousy in the snow.. performance sized.... remember the geo storm gsi.. oh what a nightmare... or think of a miata... oh even worse
06-07-2008, 09:29 AM
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Car selection for Cleveland winter
Hey, I'm back here..compulsory? legally required?
06-07-2008, 09:17 PM
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Well, forgive me for being slow, but I really have no clue what that means.
However, on the other hand, basically as long as you don't ride peoples' bumpers and drive recklessly or fast, you will be fine. I can't say much for the other drivers on the road, but just do those few things and you'll lessen your chances of an accident.
As far as snow tires...I wouldnt waste the money. If you are going for a sportier car, granted they might come with performance OEM tires, but I really don't think that you need snow tires.
I have a 2000 Honda Civic EX that has coilovers (it's lowered - about 3 inches off the ground) and aftermarket Enkei's with Nitto NeoGens on them. All I do is raise the car in the winter (otherwise its a snow plow) and switch out the wheels to the stocks, which have all-weather tires on them. I have never had any problems.
I have, however, seen trucks and AWD SUVs in ditches so don't let that fool you.
So, basically, as long as you don't drive like a complete moron - watch your distance and your speed - then you'll be alright. No snow tires needed. Promise. Now, I know that you can customize the Scion TC quite a bit, so if you end up purchasing the car with low-profile tires, just be aware that you will need to switch them out. Believe me - I have been in the Civic in the snow with the aftermarkets on enough to know that sliding around in the snow is not fun - unless you are drifting or doing donuts in a large parking lot.
Hopefully, you will understand all that I said above (I know some people won't). Btw - I would go with a Japanese car (sorry, American car lovers - maybe I'm biased?)
Remember - you only need all-weathers.
06-09-2008, 09:44 PM
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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gap insurance is not legally required, if a dealer tells you that, walk out and go to another one... gap insurance is another big profit maker for the dealership, just like extended warranties.
06-11-2008, 10:29 PM
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Vehicle for winter
I was looking to purchase an Acura RDX. Do you think this vehicle will be too high off the ground during the winter?
Acura RDX Review - Edmunds.com
This is a link for a pic of the car.
Thanks so much.
06-12-2008, 09:43 AM
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Too high off the ground during winter? I don't think that would be an issue. Typically stock SUVs and trucks have a reasonable center of gravity so that they are safe and won't tip over. Usually the AWD trucks and SUVs you would see in the ditches have nothing to do with the large amount of ground clearance they have, but rather with the stupidity of the driver behind the wheel. They don't realize that AWD means nothing when speed, following too close and not paying attention come into play when you are driving in winter weather conditions. (Sry not trying to scare anyone).
Aside from that, higher ground clearance means still being able to drive around after a large snowfall without getting stuck or ripping out portions of bumpers, etc (where as I have to garage my car and am stranded at home).
Acuras are very good cars. They are the 'luxury' side of Honda.
06-12-2008, 06:57 PM
Location: Miami Beach, Fl
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formerly from cleveland i would consider any of those to be perfectly reliable for snow driving i may shy away from the scion tc but the others are all well tested in cleveland weather
06-13-2008, 07:56 PM
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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you should be able to save a lot off list.. suv's are completely and i mean completely dead in the water right now. the rdx is considered a crossover.. negotiate hard... walk away, they WILL call you back
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Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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