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Truth be told, unless your going to school to be a nurse
or a lawyer every degree is weak and a waste of time
and money.
Thats bullcrap. Unless you have a degree of some sort, you won't get passed burger flipper. College degrees might not get you as far as they used to, but they're required of anyone wanted to make above minimum wage. College is the new high school.
Your a rare one though. For the majority of people who get these types of
diplomas it does equal a career fail.
The majority of success stories are rare. It does not matter what you study the majority of people will be working hard to just earn $100,000 after ten years and from there it won't go up much higher. And the possibility of being fired for being paid too much goes up.
All those success stories can be attributed to a few things. First they could have studied something very hard-at a top twenty university-and after that they got a good job. That gave them a lot of financial incentives to stay with that company and job sight.
Second and the most common is connections. Some moron who really did not belong at Harvard got a good paying job because Dad's friend hired him straight out of college and gave him a pay grade that he did not deserve.
All success is through networking. Even if you study Engineering or CS or LA, etc you need to network to get that money. And you have to sell yourself. Without doing neither you will never have that much money.
And it's not just philosophy. Other subjects like English and art are the same way...the students might be good at their major but they're bad at math.
Art and English are nothing like Philosophy, I was speaking only of Philosophy. I never suggested that every Philosophy student is good at mathematics (heck, not every philosophy student is good in philosophy), instead, the same sorts of skills that make someone good at Philosophy can transfer to being good at mathematics. They are, at the root, the same skill.
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I'm equating intellectualism with how much time people need to devote to their major. Liberal arts majors might need to do a lot of reading and writing. But in my experience, out of the people I know at my college, the engineering majors have the most demanding workload.
Right and intellectualism has little to do with how much time people need to devote to their major, that depends largely on the individual.
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You're saying engineers are bad at math? Please elaborate. Because anyone else would say the opposite.
Right, they are on average bad at mathematics. Engineers plug numbers into theorems, etc that have been discovered and established by mathematics, that doesn't make them good at mathematics, instead it makes them good at calculating and following instructions. Ask an Engineer about the underlying theory beyond the theorems he/she uses, or ask him to prove the theorems, etc and you will hear silence. Anyhow, Engineering students only learn entry level mathematics.
Anyhow, the sort of people that make good Engineers typically don't make good mathematicians. Mathematics is very abstract, on the other hand Engineering is very concrete. Opposites really. This is how Philosophy and Mathematics are very similar, they are both primarily analytic subjects that deal with abstract subject matter.
Thats bullcrap. Unless you have a degree of some sort, you won't get passed burger flipper. College degrees might not get you as far as they used to, but they're required of anyone wanted to make above minimum wage. College is the new high school.
While I don't agree with Minnie Mouse9 either, what you posted is bullcrap as well. Degrees are overvalued. If you can't get past flipping burgers, your lack of degree is not your problem. If you think that a degree is the only way to go, you're limiting yourself to a more probable mediocre career.
Right, they are on average bad at mathematics. Engineers plug numbers into theorems, etc that have been discovered and established by mathematics, that doesn't make them good at mathematics, instead it makes them good at calculating and following instructions. Ask an Engineer about the underlying theory beyond the theorems he/she uses, or ask him to prove the theorems, etc and you will hear silence. Anyhow, Engineering students only learn entry level mathematics.
Anyhow, the sort of people that make good Engineers typically don't make good mathematicians. Mathematics is very abstract, on the other hand Engineering is very concrete. Opposites really. This is how Philosophy and Mathematics are very similar, they are both primarily analytic subjects that deal with abstract subject matter.
Intellectualism is something that should have died with eugenics. How can someone who contributes nothing other to the world aside from his or her writings and rantings be considered a force of good or that superior to that of an inventor or scientist?
And most engineers do NOT learn basic entry level mathematics.
Please do not confuse environmental science with a real engineering program. The math learned by biomedical engineers, chemical engineers, mechanical engineers, aeronautical engineers is much more advanced and abstract than what a chemist or physicists learns during his or her bachelor.
Intellectualism is something that should have died with eugenics. How can someone who contributes nothing other to the world aside from his or her writings and rantings be considered a force of good or that superior to that of an inventor or scientist?
I have no idea why you are creating a false dichotomy between a scientist and an intellectual, the two aren't mutual exclusive. Science goes no where without intellectualism...
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And most engineers do NOT learn basic entry level mathematics.
Please do not confuse environmental science with a real engineering program.
I don't recall ever mentioning environmental science....what does that have to do with engineering anyways? In the scope of mathematics what your typical engineering undergrad learns is most certainly entry level mathematics, the programs typically require a handful of freshman and sophomore mathematics courses (i.e., lower-division math courses). Calculus I, II, intro to linear algebra, intro to differential equations, etc are all entry level mathematics courses.
Your comment about physics students is puzzling, engineering at the end of the day is just applied physics as a result physics is far more abstract. Though your typical undergrad in Physics doesn't have a much better handle on mathematics than an Engineering student, for the most part they take the same entry level courses.
Quantitative skills are not the same as pure mathematics skills.
I'm not aware of any research showing that the latter corresponds to any significant increase in employment/wage opportunities.
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