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I guess the engineering firm just spends a couple years training someone in hopes they’ll morph into a competent engineer. How they pick these people is unknown. Dart board perhaps?
People would apply for the job after high school. It would be more of an internship than a job. If an intern isn't suited to be an engineer, he/she can be recommended for a different career.
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If they fail to turn into engineers, what’s next? Move them to an accounting firm so they can spend a couple years figuring out if they’re accounting material? This make no sense at all. Some would spend their entire careers in one training program or another.
I don't think anybody would want to permanently be in a low paid training job. If they have an aptitude for accounting, they can be sent to an accounting firm. If they aren't suited for that, then somewhere else.
But every college is like that. Maybe my impression is biased since I live in a high cost of living but middle class area, so people I know got screwed our of college financial aid, so we all had to choose colleges based on cost.
My intent was for people to maybe spend 2-4 years working in internships before college. If they choose, for example, engineering, they can decide if engineering is for them, and an employer can determine if the person has a possible future in engineering. If not, you can move onto a different field. And after the internship, you go to college in your chosen major.
Because the basic engineering classes have nothing to do with real world engineering. And being willing to skip a funeral or take an exam after the dorms closed for Thanksgiving break has nothing to do with being a good engineer.
She is dead, so I can't argue with her.
When you have parents who treat an 89 as failing, sometimes you are forced to argue with teachers over grades.
It’s been repeated on this and many other threads numerous times that your college experience is wildly atypical. I have never met a single person who has as many complaints as you have about your educational experience. I also don’t know anyone who chose a school purely based on cost, likely because I come from a state that has generous merit aid and was in a program where people were more interested in leaving the immediate area than living nearby.
There are all kinds of reasons Engineering graduates don’t become career Engineers, including:
Conflict between where they want to live vs the jobs in that area
Lack of interest
Switching to jobs like technical sales or project management
Going to graduate school in another subject (Law, Medicine…..in fact, my surgical Dermatologist has an Engineering degree from Rice)
Poor work ethic - a lazy Engineer is a soon to be unemployed one
ANYONE that cannot survive the pre-Engineering coursework will not graduate in this field, but I will say that anyone of normal intelligence CAN be an Engineer if they want it bad enough.
Because I took no real math in high school (did pass the remedial basic “checkbook” math with straight Ds) I had to take 7 math classes at a JC just to catch up with most Sophomores. Because I was so Ill-prepared for college I had to take over 200 credit hours to finish a 132 credit hour degree…..graduated at age 29.
It’s been repeated on this and many other threads numerous times that your college experience is wildly atypical. I have never met a single person who has as many complaints as you have about your educational experience. I also don’t know anyone who chose a school purely based on cost, likely because I come from a state that has generous merit aid and was in a program where people were more interested in leaving the immediate area than living nearby.
I don't buy it either and haven't for a long time.
People would apply for the job after high school. It would be more of an internship than a job. If an intern isn't suited to be an engineer, he/she can be recommended for a different career.
I don't think anybody would want to permanently be in a low paid training job. If they have an aptitude for accounting, they can be sent to an accounting firm. If they aren't suited for that, then somewhere else.
Exactly who does the work when the hires are all interns? Not one hire qualified to do the job day one. And when a good portion of them wash out, you start all over again? Total waste of time and money.
How would you know whether you’re suited for accounting if you spent the last 6 months figuring out you weren’t suited for engineering? I guess you just have to try it and see if it works. If not, another internship? How much money are companies supposed to waste on you before you figure out what you can do?
There are jobs this could work for. Engineering isn’t one of them. Neither is Programming/IT or physical therapy or accounting or many other occupations which require a depth of knowledge not capable of being taught in a short period of time.
Then maybe you should be the one paying tuition to weed students out, rather than the students themselves.
Why would I pay for some else’s education? If someone wants to become an accountant, an engineer, a lawyer, an MD, etc., they can pay for it. Don’t want to pay for it? Enjoy working in a low skilled, no education required job. That’s fine by me.
Do you actually think about what you’re going to write before posting? Maybe read it before hitting the Submit Reply button? Some of this stuff is just over the top in its level of outrageousness.
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Why would I pay for some else’s education? If someone wants to become an accountant, an engineer, a lawyer, an MD, etc., they can pay for it. Don’t want to pay for it? ...
or get a job with an employer who values their employees enough to PAY for college and CEUs.
Hint: if you are working for a firm who say's this, "Why would I pay for some else’s education?", you need to find another job. I would guess my previous employer has paid for thousands of degrees since before 1960. of 7 workers on our night shift, 5 were in college and (2) had already completed via company assistance.
Sis and I each got (5) fully paid degrees from employers (Her's came with a sweet pension after a few yrs @ $350k salary (medical specialist professional)). We're both teaching with our 'free degrees', but each of us would recommend "get a job that pays for school", as we prefer our students who are doing that. They have a lot to contribute to the class and discussions and helping the many students who don't have a clue. (and the professors who don't have a clue either, there are plenty of those).
None of these are Dollywood (which pays landscapers, shuttle drivers, food service employees and any other employee's college).
Just ask!
BTW, there are a lot of ways to 'find-your-spot' than internships and extensive training.
Gte 2-3 jobs in a variety of fields and see what fits your interests and objectives.
Informational interviews are a good step to seek out the right career field. Take a lot of different folks to lunch, attend tradeshows and seminars. Just Ask!
@ age 15, I sent one of my kid's off to another state to spend a week with a fire chief friend, and his contacts with the city and county. My kid pursued the certs, lived in a fire station (for free) during college, got a lot of free training and perks, did a high paid job safety training for refineries and communication tower and wind turbine staff... but never pursued that field. but it was a great way to work his way through college and know how to do high stress and complicated rescues and lots of math!. It was valuable time to learn a lot of ropes and variety, but was NOT his chosen career. That's fine, it was a very good education and a very good job that paid for college.
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or get a job with an enployer who values their employees enough to PAY for college and CEUs.
Hint: if you are working for a firm who say's this "Why would I pay for some else’s education?", you need to find another job.
Sis and I each got (5) fully paid degrees from employers (Her's came with a sweet pension after a few yrs @ $350k salary). We're both teaching with our 'free degrees', but each of us would recommend "get a job that pays for school", as we prefer our students who are doing that. They have a lot to contribute to the class and discussions and helping the many students who don't have a clue. (and the professors who don't have a clue, there are plenty of those).
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Gladly. They are all achievable and reasonable 'Tips-for College'.
I'll refrain from my Accounting and Tax experiences so we don't offend a fragile professional. (?) Who has yet to offer a 'tip-for-college'.
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