The intolerance of COS (Colorado Springs: calculation, incomes, legal)

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by hey_wilber

"Notice me!! I'm gay and I'm special" - Whatever....leave us alone. No one cares, seriously!

Uncalled for.

[Baron of BBQ]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Uncalled for.

or, in keeping with this thread: show a little tolerance

[McGowdog]

Originally Posted by hey_wilber

No one cares, seriously!

No, you are wrong. Some people do care.

You for instance. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have... and judging by your attitude on an already touchy subject... shouldn't have even posted here.

If you had a child that was gay for instance, then you yourself may care about a topic like this.

[Bob from down south]

Originally Posted by Josseppie

I think you hit the nail on the head. Colorado Springs has options of improving its image but they choose not to and personally I think that is because many of the political leaders in the Springs are not tolerant. I think the reason is the political spectrum in the Springs is far right just like you have the far left in charge of Boulder and personally I think going to that extreme on either side is not good for the overall health of a community.

Tolerance is not an absolute virtue. Most of us do not tolerate murder, theft, or child abuse--nor should we. In this world there is still a such thing as right and wrong, and for us to openly tolerate those behaviors that we know are wrong is not something to be proud of. I am quite comfortable with a public image of Colorado Springs as a city that does not have much tolerance of immorality.

What you would have us do to "improve" our image would be viewed by many of here as defiling it.

Who would expect the mayor to sign a resolution for a "Pornography Pride" event? How about "Adultery Pride?" Or "Public Nudity Pride?" Of course we wouldn't, because we know that those activities are not the sort of moral (mis)behavior we want to support. Many of us in this conservative community feel the same way about homosexuality and events promoting it. So from that perspective, I think Mike got it wrong--the mayor gained us some flattering publicity.

[kapetrich]

Originally Posted by Bob from down south

Tolerance is not an absolute virtue. Most of us do not tolerate murder, theft, or child abuse--nor should we. In this world there is still a such thing as right and wrong, and for us to openly tolerate those behaviors that we know are wrong is not something to be proud of. I am quite comfortable with a public image of Colorado Springs as a city that does not have much tolerance of immorality.

Equating the tolerance of murder, theft and child abuse to that of a tolerance of homosexuality and/or other forms of expression that do not harm others (other than 'X' expression harms morality) is disingenuous to say the least.

Of course tolerance is not an absolute virtue. No one said it was.

Please reflect on your rhetoric.

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I can say that from a x-east coasters perspective, Colorado Springs definitely has very strong negative connotation due to the perceived fundamentalism that resides there. Whether or not this is merited, I do not know, but these type of incidences do not seem to help the case regardless of the perpetrators allegiance(s). (republican or democrat, child or adult, Christian or non-Christian, etc.)

[Baron of BBQ]

Originally Posted by Baron of BBQ

"tolerance" is a funny word - seems that those who demand it most, practice it least

worth repeating, so I will

[lalahartma]

I don't think CoS has a reputation of not tolerating immorality. Just the opposite, in fact.
But "immorality" is somewhat subjective, eh?

[Bob from down south]

Originally Posted by kapetrich

Equating the tolerance of murder, theft and child abuse to that of a tolerance of homosexuality and/or other forms of expression that do not harm others (other than 'X' expression harms morality) is disingenuous to say the least.

Of course tolerance is not an absolute virtue. No one said it was.

Please reflect on your rhetoric.

I'm completely comfortable with my rhetoric.

I did not "equate" murder with homosexuality. I used the examples of murder, theft, and child abuse as discrete examples to demonstrate that tolerance is not an absolute, and that all of us are rightly intolerant of those things that we see as wrong. Acceptance of wrong is never justified by a desire to worship before the the Holy Temple of Tolerance.

Consequently, tolerance of homosexuality by those of us who believe it is wrong is never acceptable, any more than tolerance of murder by those who believe it is wrong should be an acceptable position.

Originally Posted by kapetrich

I can say that from a x-east coasters perspective, Colorado Springs definitely has very strong negative connotation due to the perceived fundamentalism that resides there. Whether or not this is merited, I do not know, but these type of incidences do not seem to help the case regardless of the perpetrators allegiance(s). (republican or democrat, child or adult, Christian or non-Christian, etc.)

Likewise, I can say from a Colorado Springs perspective, that the things that go on in places like San Francisco have a very strong negative connotation due to the perceived loose immorality that resides there.

See, it works both ways. I live in Colorado Springs instead of San Francisco precisely because I find some things openly accepted in SF to be repugnant and unacceptable. If someone won't come here because they disagree with our conservative values, I can live with that...in reality, I actually prefer that they choose to stay away.

[kapetrich]

Originally Posted by Bob from down south

Consequently, tolerance of homosexuality by those of us who believe it is wrong is never acceptable, any more than tolerance of murder by those who believe it is wrong should be an acceptable position.

Let me give you a good example:

Consequently, tolerance of Christianity by those of us who believe it is wrong is never acceptable, any more than tolerance of murder by those who believe it is wrong should be an acceptable position.

How does the statement above sit with you? If the sentiment above was the majority belief, would it be ok to persecute Christian values and their way of life, too?

If you answer "yes" then you are at least logically constant, but believe we should limit the rights of any individual not in the majority. If you answer "no" then you loose the argument and we agree it would be wrong to limit the rights of Christians or any other, non-harmful, minority belief system. It's your choice.

Originally Posted by Bob from down south

I'm completely comfortable with my rhetoric.

I did not "equate" murder with homosexuality. I used the examples of murder, theft, and child abuse as discrete examples to demonstrate that tolerance is not an absolute, and that all of us are rightly intolerant of those things that we see as wrong. Acceptance of wrong is never justified by a desire to worship before the the Holy Temple of Tolerance.

You choose to refute a stance no one has taken: Tolerance is an absolute. Not one person has made this claim, yet you have laid your flag on it for what purpose? (Poorly structured rhetoric)

And, yes, you did equate the two. Reread your statement.

Originally Posted by Bob from down south

Likewise, I can say from a Colorado Springs perspective, that the things that go on in places like San Francisco have a very strong negative connotation due to the perceived loose immorality that resides there.

See, it works both ways. I live in Colorado Springs instead of San Francisco precisely because I find some things openly accepted in SF to be repugnant and unacceptable. If someone won't come here because they disagree with our conservative values, I can live with that...in reality, I actually prefer that they choose to stay away.

No one said you couldn't have a different perspective. The point was that, I, coming from the east coast have a negative connotation of Colorado Springs. I explicitly said this was personally unfounded, yet still a fact of the matter.

[Bob from down south]

Originally Posted by kapetrich

Let me give you a good example:

Consequently, tolerance of Christianity by those of us who believe it is wrong is never acceptable, any more than tolerance of murder by those who believe it is wrong should be an acceptable position.

How does the statement above sit with you? If the sentiment above was the majority belief, would it be ok to persecute Christian values and their way of life, too?

OK with me if some people don't want to tolerate Christianity. Of course it's a useless hypothetical, because that sentiment isn't and will never be the majority belief.

Originally Posted by kapetrich

You choose to refute a stance no one has taken: Tolerance is an absolute. Not one person has made this claim, yet you have laid your flag on it for what purpose? (Poorly structured rhetoric)

The stance may not have been taken explicitly here, but it is the underpinning used by many that would have us accept all sorts of depraved immoral activities--ostensibly in the name of the false virtue of tolerance.

Originally Posted by kapetrich

And, yes, you did equate the two. Reread your statement.

And once again, no, I didn't.