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Old 12-14-2019, 12:57 AM
 
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Neither of these are academic degree programs. If you want to become one of these, I suggest taking some computer science classes at a local university and then doing a bootcamp.
Not sure how you are defining academic degree programs, but both are offered specifically as Associates degrees at the four community college programs I've examined. Boot camp is offered, too. I have two university degrees (violin performance) and tuition at university, even with the discount for non-traditional students, is immensely higher than the $600-$900/semester at these two year schools.

I also attended law school in Texas.

I was thinking of getting into the certification programs (see below), and these certifications are also offered as Associates degrees:

CERTIFICATIONS
• Systems Administration [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Web Programming [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Network Administration [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Systems Administration [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Cyber Security [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195

Tuition:
https://www.cnm.edu/depts/enrollment...-and-residency
12-18 hrs. $672

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Old 12-14-2019, 01:14 AM
 
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Not sure how you are defining academic degree programs, but both are offered specifically as Associates degrees at the four community college programs I've examined. Boot camp is offered, too. I have two university degrees (violin performance) and tuition at university, even with the discount for non-traditional students, is immensely higher than the $600-$900/semester at these two year schools.

I also attended law school in Texas.

I was thinking of getting into the certification programs (see below), and these certifications are also offered as Associates degrees:

CERTIFICATIONS
• Systems Administration [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Web Programming [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Network Administration [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Systems Administration [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195
• Cyber Security [33 hrs.]
https://catalog.cnm.edu/preview_prog...&returnto=5195

Tuition:
https://www.cnm.edu/depts/enrollment...-and-residency
12-18 hrs. $672
Just looking at the certificate:

CIS 1275 - C++ Programming I 3 credit hour(s)
CIS 1715 - Overview of Web Technologies 3 credit hour(s) (absolutely necessary)
IT 1010 - Fundamentals of Information Literacy and Systems 3 credit hour(s) (fluff)

CIS 1280 - .Net I/C# 3 credit hour(s) (good, but not necessary to enter the field)
CIS 1680 - Linux Essentials 3 credit hour(s) (absolutely necessary)
CIS 1713 - Web Publishing 3 credit hour(s)
CIS 1730 - JavaScript Web Programming 3 credit hour(s) (absolutely necessary)

CIS 1750 - PHP Web Programming 3 credit hour(s) (specialized for legacy applications - lots of jobs, but not forward looking -- I would skip)
CIS 2284 - .NET II/C# 3 credit hour(s) (good, but not necessary to enter the field)
CIS 2520 - Introduction to SQL (Structured Query Language) 3 credit hour(s) (good)
CIS 2763 - Web Programming Framework 3 credit hour(s) (ok)

I grew up and currently live in Texas, but actually studied law in Massachusetts.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:03 AM
 
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Just looking at the certificate:

CIS 1275 - C++ Programming I 3 credit hour(s)
CIS 1715 - Overview of Web Technologies 3 credit hour(s) (absolutely necessary)
IT 1010 - Fundamentals of Information Literacy and Systems 3 credit hour(s) (fluff)

CIS 1280 - .Net I/C# 3 credit hour(s) (good, but not necessary to enter the field)
CIS 1680 - Linux Essentials 3 credit hour(s) (absolutely necessary)
CIS 1713 - Web Publishing 3 credit hour(s)
CIS 1730 - JavaScript Web Programming 3 credit hour(s) (absolutely necessary)

CIS 1750 - PHP Web Programming 3 credit hour(s) (specialized for legacy applications - lots of jobs, but not forward looking -- I would skip)
CIS 2284 - .NET II/C# 3 credit hour(s) (good, but not necessary to enter the field)
CIS 2520 - Introduction to SQL (Structured Query Language) 3 credit hour(s) (good)
CIS 2763 - Web Programming Framework 3 credit hour(s) (ok)

I grew up and currently live in Texas, but actually studied law in Massachusetts.
Thanks for looking. I probably couldn't handle all this stuff. You guys were talking way, way over my head. Why I think I can approach a new field like this at my age, is just a function of wishful thinking on my part.
I might as well face it. Maybe, if I had another lifetime ahead of me, but I don't. It's just so damn interesting.
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Old 12-14-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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Ah. It's been over a decade since I've used cPanel (or PHP for that matter). I think for the purpose of the OP who is considering entering this field, it would be best to look past legacy technologies and focus on something more modern.

WHM/Cpanel is used for server management and the most widely used one, nearly any hosting company outside of the alrger ones is going to offer this as default panel. Cpanel for basic shared hosting, WHM/Cpanel for VPS and dedicated servers. If you only used Cpanel that's just the basic consumer frontend. The WHM panel is to manage the entire server. Apache config and modules, PHP versions, domains, nameservers/DNS, the firewall, SSL keys, add on services like ClamAV etc etc.



About 75% of sites run PHP application and most importantly the most popular open source applications like Worpress, Drupal and phpBB are programmed with PHP.

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Old 12-14-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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Thanks for looking. I probably couldn't handle all this stuff. You guys were talking way, way over my head. Why I think I can approach a new field like this at my age, is just a function of wishful thinking on my part.
I might as well face it. Maybe, if I had another lifetime ahead of me, but I don't. It's just so damn interesting.

Your server presumably has PHP? Create a folder in the public_html directory. Go into your hosting control panel, there should be section for password protecting the directory, doesn't have to be complicated. You're only doing this to prevent bots from accessing it. You will also need a database name, database username and database password. Consult your host's documentation for this, you may need to create the database in the hosting control panel



Download Drupal and install it in the folder.



https://www.drupal.org/download


Honestly. you are going to go "I wish I had this 20 years ago". Don't worry about breaking or making mistakes. Play around with it to familiarize yourself with it. You can always wipe it out and start from scratch but that is usually not necessary.
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Old 12-14-2019, 03:14 PM
 
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Your server presumably has PHP? Create a folder in the public_html directory. Go into your hosting control panel, there should be section for password protecting the directory, doesn't have to be complicated. You're only doing this to prevent bots from accessing it. You will also need a database name, database username and database password. Consult your host's documentation for this, you may need to create the database in the hosting control panel



Download Drupal and install it in the folder.



https://www.drupal.org/download


Honestly. you are going to go "I wish I had this 20 years ago". Don't worry about breaking or making mistakes. Play around with it to familiarize yourself with it. You can always wipe it out and start from scratch but that is usually not necessary.
Thank you. I will try this at some point, after the holidays. Too many performance obligations right now.
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Old 12-22-2019, 04:27 PM
 
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About 75% of sites run PHP application and most importantly the most popular open source applications like Worpress, Drupal and phpBB are programmed with PHP.
75% is a bit of an overstatement. Just taking a look at the most popular websites, just 5 of the top 13 sites use PHP. These sites are:

Google - Migrating away from PHP to Go.
Facebook - Originally written in PHP in 2004, but have migrated 90% of their codebase to JavaScript (with some of it actually being OCaml, C++, and Reason)
Yahoo - Only a small portion of their code is in PHP and they are in the process of moving it to JavaScript.
Wikipedia - Still in the dark ages with PHP
WordPress - Legitimately PHP - But they have realized the need to move away from the older language.

Drupal and phpBB have pretty much fallen off at this point. Old sites that use them are fine because they work, but no one is going to build a new site with them.

I think WordPress is in a unique position. They have an entire ecosystem built on PHP and it will take them years to shift off. They have begun doing so, however, with the start of an entire rewrite in JavaScript. Their Calypso and Gutenberg projects are the first releases of this rewrite.

"The new WordPress.com codebase, codenamed "Calypso," moves WordPress.com away from MySQL and PHP. It's built entirely in JavaScript" - https://developer.wordpress.com/calypso/

It's good to see that the larger sites are seeing the light and shifting away from the tech debt of PHP to a more modern way of building websites.
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Old 12-23-2019, 04:24 PM
 
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75% is a bit of an overstatement. Just taking a look at the most popular websites, just 5 of the top 13 sites use PHP. These sites are:

I'm citing what I'm finding, some put it higher. In any event I've been hearing PHP is dead going back a decade now.



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Drupal and phpBB have pretty much fallen off at this point. Old sites that use them are fine because they work, but no one is going to build a new site with them.

I don't know about the numbers with Drupal but certainly with phpBB the numbers have fallen off but that's a sign of the times. It's still under active development and if you are looking for free open source forum software it's probably the best choice.
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Old 12-23-2019, 05:43 PM
 
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I'm citing what I'm finding, some put it higher. In any event I've been hearing PHP is dead going back a decade now.

I don't know about the numbers with Drupal but certainly with phpBB the numbers have fallen off but that's a sign of the times. It's still under active development and if you are looking for free open source forum software it's probably the best choice.
Yea. I hear you when you we have been hearing that php is dying. It’s like COBOL or Java.... it’s extremely old and its install base is very high and it will take some time to completely die... but neither are used for new projects.

PHPBB is far from the best choice for an open source forum solution. NodeBB and Discourse tend to be the preferred solutions these days. Discourse serves a unique purpose... NodeBB is very similar to PHPBB in features but it’s not as slow as a snail and is written in a modern language with a modern database.

Here’s a good read: https://www.slant.co/versus/2791/17561/~nodebb_vs_phpbb
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Old 12-24-2019, 05:49 AM
 
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...features but it’s not as slow as a snail ...

PHP is reporting page execution times on the server of about 0.05 to 0.06. Google page insights reports 170ms..... If you are clicking around my forum it's nearly instant even under load.


Of course that is hard to compare to something else to do apples to apples comparison. I'm using OPcache, database tweaks etc. It's actually a little slower than it was, recently ungraded MariaDB. I'll have to look into it.
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