[jane_sm1th73]

As vilified as it is, the Fed Government has been moving to outcomes-based measurement for over a decade. As in, "you want a continuation of funding? Show me what you have produced with the funding you have". It is no longer politically correct to use last year's funding level as a justification to continue funding this year. The trend excludes pork and crony deals, of course - money thrown down the drain on bankrupt companies for the purpose of parading a message - as in Solyndra. And tax incentives thrown at companies for the purpose of continuing the revolving door from Congress to private industry.

CT bucks the trend, once again! By making how much a school district spends a primary criterion of educational attainment:
State to school districts: minimum spending reached | The Connecticut Mirror


Not surprisingly, the state has not yet wised up to the fact that "more spending" does not equal "better outcomes":

Article | Connecticut’s Schools are Worse Than They Look
- from a study by Manhattan Institute: "we find that Connecticut’s student achievement is 101 percent of what we would expect it to be. This ranks Connecticut 29th among the states in academic outcomes adjusted for student characteristics -- well into the bottom half of the nation."



More taxing, and more spending, with little thought given to accountability for results. Correlation is not causation. However, the mindset of spending more to get less does tend to have have consequences over the long haul, in reduced economic vitality:
Unemployment Hits 9 Percent in Connecticut - Courant.com

- "The state Department of Labor reported that the unemployment rate rose to 9 percent in October, up from 8.5 percent a year ago, and that a survey of employers showed a net gain of fewer than 1,500 jobs this year."

Math is hard.

[mlassoff]

Have you considered Trumbull?

Suggest that mods move this to politics.

[MikefromCT]

Originally Posted by jane_sm1th73

Not surprisingly, the state has not yet wised up to the fact that "more spending" does not equal "better outcomes":

Article | Connecticut’s Schools are Worse Than They Look
- from a study by Manhattan Institute: "we find that Connecticut’s student achievement is 101 percent of what we would expect it to be. This ranks Connecticut 29th among the states in academic outcomes adjusted for student characteristics -- well into the bottom half of the nation."

Hmmmmm, so CT ranks 29th nationwide in education. This according to not an education-based, in-depth study, but a right-wing lobbying think tank known as the Manhattan Institute, whose members and speakers include George W. Bush. Yeah, this isn't anecdotal or anything.

If only people in think tanks actually knew how to think. Math isn't hard - getting facts inside the bubble is.

[Lintu]

Well, I have heard this from multiple places at this point. It seems to be perhaps that the money is misallocated -- too much going to administration and "consultants" and not enough where it matters.

[MikefromCT]

Originally Posted by Lintu

Well, I have heard this from multiple places at this point. It seems to be perhaps that the money is misallocated -- too much going to administration and "consultants" and not enough where it matters.

That I agree with. And it's a problem. I also agree with those who say we have a spending problem. We do. But conservative critics are in no position to be on their high horse - they have their own issues and have demonstrated fiscal incompetence as well.

[mels]

Originally Posted by MikefromCT

Hmmmmm, so CT ranks 29th nationwide in education. This according to not an education-based, in-depth study, but a right-wing lobbying think tank known as the Manhattan Institute, whose members and speakers include George W. Bush. Yeah, this isn't anecdotal or anything.

If only people in think tanks actually knew how to think. Math isn't hard - getting facts inside the bubble is.

I agree with this.

Connecticut certainly has a spending problem but citing statistics from the Manhattan Institute holds about as much weight as quoting statistics from Rush Limbaugh.

[JayCT]

Historically Connecticut's economy is based on industries that feel the impacts and recover from a recession much later than other states. That is why our current unemployment rate which was under the national average for much of the recession is not higher.

As for schools, most respected sources rate Connecticut schools at or near the top for education. Any organization that tries to say Texas schools are better is highly suspect IMHO. Jay

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by MikefromCT

That I agree with. And it's a problem. I also agree with those who say we have a spending problem. We do. But conservative critics are in no position to be on their high horse - they have their own issues and have demonstrated fiscal incompetence as well.

Conservatives fail to acknowledge that Bush was the most liberal spender in US history (pre-Obama, of course).

Iraq war, bla bla bla.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Conservatives fail to acknowledge that Bush was the most liberal spender in US history (pre-Obama, of course).

Iraq war, bla bla bla.

We have to keep this thread related to Connecticut. If you wish to debate national issues, please go to others forums on this website. JayCT, Moderator

[hartford_renter]

Originally Posted by jane_sm1th73

As vilified as it is, the Fed Government has been moving to outcomes-based measurement for over a decade. As in, "you want a continuation of funding? Show me what you have produced with the funding you have". It is no longer politically correct to use last year's funding level as a justification to continue funding this year. The trend excludes pork and crony deals, of course - money thrown down the drain on bankrupt companies for the purpose of parading a message - as in Solyndra. And tax incentives thrown at companies for the purpose of continuing the revolving door from Congress to private industry.

CT bucks the trend, once again! By making how much a school district spends a primary criterion of educational attainment:
State to school districts: minimum spending reached | The Connecticut Mirror


Not surprisingly, the state has not yet wised up to the fact that "more spending" does not equal "better outcomes":

Article | Connecticut’s Schools are Worse Than They Look
- from a study by Manhattan Institute: "we find that Connecticut’s student achievement is 101 percent of what we would expect it to be. This ranks Connecticut 29th among the states in academic outcomes adjusted for student characteristics -- well into the bottom half of the nation."



More taxing, and more spending, with little thought given to accountability for results. Correlation is not causation. However, the mindset of spending more to get less does tend to have have consequences over the long haul, in reduced economic vitality:
Unemployment Hits 9 Percent in Connecticut - Courant.com

- "The state Department of Labor reported that the unemployment rate rose to 9 percent in October, up from 8.5 percent a year ago, and that a survey of employers showed a net gain of fewer than 1,500 jobs this year."

Math is hard.

The state voted for 100% democrats and the state has a budget defecit of over a billion dollars. According to conning we have the worst credit rating in the nation.

The people in this state for one reason or another think spending spending and more spending. Your wasting your time trying to change that.

Just be aware that the state is on the path to insolvency. When this happens they will try to take as much of your assets as possible. I would NEVER buy a house here it's too risky.