Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Connecticut
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-28-2013, 05:54 PM
 
284 posts, read 534,272 times
Reputation: 56

Advertisements

From my very minimal research, it seems that ALL the public elementary schools in Stamford are bad. Am I wrong? Am I missing some school that's actually good performing in Stamford? If not, can somebody explain to me how it is that schools even in the desirable and expensive parts of town (like North Stamford) so bad?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-28-2013, 07:09 PM
 
3,350 posts, read 4,168,858 times
Reputation: 1946
Schools arent populate by the local neighborhood- but rather are "integrated". The state prohibited constituting to match the city overall racial makeup, so they base it on number of students with free lunch. City wide, I believe the number of free lunches is roughly 30% of the student population. As a result each school is expected to have a similar makeup. So even affluent north Stamford buses in poor kids from the rougher neighborhoods.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-28-2013, 07:12 PM
 
284 posts, read 534,272 times
Reputation: 56
Thanks for the info. So this is a state law meaning every town's schools are "integrated"?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-28-2013, 07:17 PM
 
3,350 posts, read 4,168,858 times
Reputation: 1946
No- Stamford and a few other cities have similar constructs. The original formula was racial based, but that was struck down by state law. So they transitioned to a free lunch methodology.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-28-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Live in NY, work in CT
11,298 posts, read 18,888,129 times
Reputation: 5126
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilton2ParkAve View Post
So even affluent north Stamford buses in poor kids from the rougher neighborhoods.
And vice versa from what I've seen. You can live in the richest part of town and get bussed to the "other side of the tracks".

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilton2ParkAve View Post
No- Stamford and a few other cities have similar constructs. The original formula was racial based, but that was struck down by state law. So they transitioned to a free lunch methodology.
Norwalk and Danbury do it too AFAIK, possibly New Haven. But in Bridgeport, Hartford, and possibly Waterbury and New Haven, there's not as much racial/economic diversity so it's probably not an issue there.

Last edited by 7 Wishes; 03-28-2013 at 07:58 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-28-2013, 07:54 PM
 
879 posts, read 1,660,602 times
Reputation: 415
Also keep in mind that some of the wealthiest residents are likely using private schools.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-28-2013, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
6,981 posts, read 10,950,129 times
Reputation: 8822
Busing. It has ruined every district where it has been implemented.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
34,933 posts, read 56,945,109 times
Reputation: 11228
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilton2ParkAve View Post
No- Stamford and a few other cities have similar constructs. The original formula was racial based, but that was struck down by state law. So they transitioned to a free lunch methodology.
There is criteria though on race that must be followed as well. It is something like where one school has 25% more minorities than other schools in town, the town could face forced integration measures by the state. I know Fairfield faced this with McKinley School. They got around it by redistricting and offering families in the McKinley area access to other schools in town. Most families opted to stay at McKinley. If you ask me, these laws are so stupid. They are just a political way to satisfy the school desegragation groups. They really do little but stretch already thin budgets even thinner. JMHO, Jay
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 07:03 AM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
6,981 posts, read 10,950,129 times
Reputation: 8822
Quote:
Originally Posted by JayCT View Post
There is criteria though on race that must be followed as well. It is something like where one school has 25% more minorities than other schools in town, the town could face forced integration measures by the state. I know Fairfield faced this with McKinley School. They got around it by redistricting and offering families in the McKinley area access to other schools in town. Most families opted to stay at McKinley. If you ask me, these laws are so stupid. They are just a political way to satisfy the school desegragation groups. They really do little but stretch already thin budgets even thinner. JMHO, Jay
The Racial Balancing Law is ridiculous and completely outdated. It's totally binary and defines anybody a shade or two darker than I am (very light) as a "minority." McKinley is actually the sort of school that advocates of school desegragation should consider a model -- it's a school that both white and "minority" students are happy in and want to stay in. To label this school as a "problem" is idiotic.

Not to mention that the law applies within districts and lays down arbitrary markers. In districts that were economically and racially divided (such as Bridgeport/New Haven/Hartford, etc), the only effect of the law was to drive out the white middle class that sustained the cities and paid the taxes necessary to keep them afloat. This has had a negative effect on these cities for decades. And the law as sure as hell didn't improve education for its intended beneficiaries. Every place where the law has been broadly applied has horrific schools.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-29-2013, 07:40 AM
 
284 posts, read 534,272 times
Reputation: 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by dazzleman View Post
.

Not to mention that the law applies within districts and lays down arbitrary markers. In districts that were economically and racially divided (such as Bridgeport/New Haven/Hartford, etc), the only effect of the law was to drive out the white middle class that sustained the cities and paid the taxes necessary to keep them afloat. This has had a negative effect on these cities for decades. And the law as sure as hell didn't improve education for its intended beneficiaries. Every place where the law has been broadly applied has horrific schools.
I couldn't agree more. It seems like nobody benefits from these rules and all they serve to do is to bring down all the schools in a district (ex: Stamford). What an awful idea and a ridiculous waste of what could've been good schools in parts of Stamford. Really frustrating.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Connecticut
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top